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Would you vote for me?

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Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-25 00:01:45 UTC
I'm not a long time veteran. ( just over 1 year and 3m in eve) but I do love the game and have contributed to CSM and MD forums in the past. I have made many suggestions for improvement in the game, in the aspects that I am familiar with, and tried to stay clear of topics out of my purview or expertise. I try to keep a level and rational approach to solutions that preserve play balance for all. I am an industrialist in game and work in the financial sector in RL so you can say I have better understanding of markets than most. I think my forum posts over the last year represent who I am more that any self glorifying post will. Would you vote for me? No, yes, all welcome comments. I'm pragmatic so if I see support here then I will seriously consider running. But if not then no harm done, I will continue to enjoy the game as a interested and informed bystander.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#2 - 2012-01-25 00:22:35 UTC
No idea who you are, sorry.

You need a blog-- sorry soapbox, and you need to post so often that people get sick of seeing your avatar.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-25 00:23:15 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Regarding the flawed election system for CSM, was there any mention of introducing parliamentary constituencies to limit the one sided loading of the council? As a players in different parts of the game should have their voices heard by a councilman who "resides" in their camp for the council to be a true representation of the demographics.


Why should the CSM be restructured into delegates representing arbitrary playstyles in a "sandbox" game where "professions" do not exist?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Sicex
#4 - 2012-01-25 00:45:47 UTC
I have to agree with Andski.

Not to belittle you, Kaelie... (but) with what a year long player with a limited view of the game has to offer, I would not feel comfortable voting you into a Representative position. Furthermore, my CSM votes in the future will go towards the candidates that feel they can benefit EVE as a whole armed with knowledge and experience from the game as a whole.

That's a personal choice and as is the case of most election processes, it's not always the logical answer that wins but the most extreme and attention grabbing. So while I may want to vote logically - the extreme wings of PVPers or PVErs will no doubt win out.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-01-25 09:44:14 UTC
Sicex: No offense taken :)

Andski: I don't see the connection between a sandbox model and having constituencies. If people will identify themselves as primarily a role, maybe a secondary role, and then dabbles in the rest. If you happen to have a character with many equal roles ( you spend 50% of the time pvp and the other 50% industry,) the n the person can choose to which group their vote will count for.
What this all basically strives to achieve is getting CSM staffed with experts in each field. They are supposed to be representatives after all and there is no reason why we need 3 expert pvpers on the council va just 1 and 2 others who are expert market players or factional war veterans etc. What this means is that if some player had a beef with FW they could go appeal to the CSM in charge of FW etc. currently we have CSMs turning a blind eye to many topics because they either have no interest in it or no expertise in it. Just scrape the CSM forum over the last year to see. It's not their fault. Their all pvpers.

If CSM is supposed to be elected representatives then they need people who constituents can trust to weigh their issues in their area of expertise.
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-25 10:53:03 UTC
The whole 'balance' of 'careers' (despite the complete lack of a class system, and the sandbox nature of the game...) would be addressed if people actually got off their arses and voted. If enough people voted, then there would be a fairly representative spread of players on the CSM, as people would naturally vote for candidates with a similar playstyle. The only reason nullsec alliances have a disproportionate number of CSM members is because they care enough to vote, most high sec players dont vote and yet think they have the right to complain. The stupidity of some people (high sec carebear whiners, not the OP) astounds me.

I will vote for you if you promise to bring a gun to the CSM summit and force CCP to destroy every piece of work on WiS they have done, and make them swear and oath never to touch WiS again.
Deltor Griffith
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-26 02:48:32 UTC
I will support you for CSM.
Goonswarm Recruitment
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-01-26 03:07:34 UTC
Deltor Griffith wrote:
I will support you for CSM.


Thanks I'll support you too.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-26 03:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Kaelie don't be disheartened.

Even a week old player who hasnt finished the tutorials would be preferable to some of the existing corrupt members imho. As education to the issues is always a possibility and they may at least still hold the view that the role is about impartial benefit of the game for all EvE players rather than their niche set.

Outright abuse of the process and going for the MetaWin seems to be an addictive habit some CSM members can't break unfortunatley. Like to see a Rehab centre setup to address the issue. But in the meantime affording the problematic members of CSM to a nice long holiday in a detox camp away from CSM duties works just as good for me.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#10 - 2012-01-26 05:27:34 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Kaelie don't be disheartened.

Even a week old player who hasnt finished the tutorials would be preferable to some of the existing corrupt members imho. As education to the issues is always a possibility and they may at least still hold the view that the role is about impartial benefit of the game for all EvE players rather than their niche set.

Outright abuse of the process and going for the MetaWin seems to be an addictive habit some CSM members can't break unfortunatley. Like to see a Rehab centre setup to address the issue. But in the meantime affording the problematic members of CSM to a nice long holiday in a detox camp away from CSM duties works just as good for me.


Quoting butthurt incursion bear alt that probably didn't even vote anyway :V

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-26 15:16:57 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
Quoting butthurt incursion bear alt that probably didn't even vote anyway :V


Quoting Incorrect idiot who cannot form any sensible contribution other than a tourettes style insult in the hope it appears effectively intelligent and get a laugh from the other aspects of the EvE community of a maturity with people who normally wet the bed.

Try to remain lucid if you can, I know it can be difficult when punch drunk on the propoganda from the corrupt CSM puppet masters and their slaves.

Reverse psychology therapy aid XBY-14 might help, at least its format might be familiar.

And fyi, my multiple alts will be voting.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-01-27 01:49:24 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Kaelie don't be disheartened.

Even a week old player who hasnt finished the tutorials would be preferable to some of the existing corrupt members imho. As education to the issues is always a possibility and they may at least still hold the view that the role is about impartial benefit of the game for all EvE players rather than their niche set.

Outright abuse of the process and going for the MetaWin seems to be an addictive habit some CSM members can't break unfortunatley. Like to see a Rehab centre setup to address the issue. But in the meantime affording the problematic members of CSM to a nice long holiday in a detox camp away from CSM duties works just as good for me.


Quoted for truth. I am truly amazed by the audacity of some players. It's a shame how these forums have really gone to dogs within the past couple of years due to lack of forum moderation and community members not caring.

Kaelie Onren,
I'm not sure how you stand on the issues or if you're part of null sec or just an alt of a null sec power block. I guess I could research your forum posting to gain a general idea which can be done later. If you're a true citizen of high sec and are really serious, you might wanna check out this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62163&find=unread
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#13 - 2012-01-27 18:12:04 UTC
Is a MetaWin similar to a Culture win on civilization or something?

Like if someone scores an EVE Online MetaWin, everyone else loses? Given that one can't control all of space or remove all enemy corps, it seems the MetaWin is the best way to achieve ultimate victory.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#14 - 2012-01-28 07:00:36 UTC
Well with that example of meta win, I would say the goon ice interdiction was that or maybe the current anti incursion fleets that pop moms early.

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