EVE General Discussion

emo rage works in kindergarden but usually stops working as soon you grow up. If you can't give constructive feedback but you still care.. say nothing otherwise all it does is to demotivate people (and thats not what you want, since i suppose you want to play a good game).

If you do things well, you should be thanked. If you screw up, you should deal with it. I am not going to pretend that I like something just because by doing so I would make someone feel better. Besides that would only do harm to the guy who is behind this crap. He can't get any better if all the junk what comes out from the pipe is welcomed as pure excellence just because there is something new.

Here in finland we're used to tell the truth and spell it out loud. It is efficient and fair, but not always very polite or nice to listen. However it is my opinion and the raw truth only from my point of view. If someone wants to add some flowers and sugar - feel free to. It's not my thing with CCP any more. They have screwed up 10 too many times.

Demotivating? Maybe, but I think it as final wake up call at most. Other teams did great work for the patch (except the naming fiasco), so perhaps it would be wise lift the bar or face the inevitable. Optimals reply about chat button to this thread already revealed that he lives in old CCP world and is ready to bulldoze the road for any awesomeness he comes up with. What I think doesn't mean a *hit.

I still like to rage and consider it as mandatory requirement towards the future of this game as far as my few subscriptions make any difference. At least I have clear opinion and not trying to hide behind beautiful words.

I didn't ask or need your approval to do that, but if you think that I'm important enough for all this attention you're feeding towards my posts, there must be some serious fanboy activity cooking in your brains.

Trying to wordplay with me doesn't end well because frankly and honestly, with unbelievable amount of respect, I don't care what you think about my opinion or the way I use to spell it out. You're not important enough. Now deal with it and move on.

I do NOT need a redundant button blinking in my face to see that the bullshit conversation I don't care about in a pub channel is still going on. Thanks but it should stay removable.

I'm probably about the only one, but I kinda dig the new Neocom. The drop downs are rather nice, and I'm having zero difficulty with it at all.

Now, why the hell should that chat button NOT be removeable?
(you can get it back anytime like every other button)

The new neocom could have had all buttons/positions like the old one as default, would have spared us all a lot of work.

I see here, CCP is, as usual, pretty much immune to reasoning, what a surprise!



To make as program usefull, you have to consider what the user needs, and what is usefull to him,
NOT what the developer thinks would be cool.

Could anyone tell CCP please, they dont seem to know that.

GUYS GUYS

DON'T BE HASTY I LIKE IT ON THE NEOCOM

This brings up the window that you get when you click on the speech-bubble icon in a chat window, and is not the button that people are complaining about.


Reset our Neocom buttons? How and where? There is no option for this in the escape menu that doesn't destroy all of our other settings, nor is there an option on the neocom itself. Given how long it takes to fix all of the other things the last several times CCP has nuked our settings during a patch, I'm not willing to even consider that as a viable option.

The appropriate solution here consists of a few small things:

• Add the ability to disable blinking on individual buttons on the neocom. Let us pick which icons we want to blink, and which ones we don't.
• If people want to remove a button because they don't need it, or it annoys them, let them. What's the point of touting a customizable and reconfigurable user interface if it isn't possible to customize and reconfigure it to your liking?
• It doesn't matter what the button is, or whether it should be possible to remove it or not, it should be possible to find it in the E menu and add it back. Case in point, the chat button that has caused this mess in the first place.
• Chat windows - or stacks - should always minimize to the neocom separately from the chat button. Always.

It's worth noting that that chat button has other issues, particularly that people who have a lot of channels open can't even access them all through the button in the first place. The first level of the menu only shows a handful of channels. Then the second level of the menu (via the "n more..." item in the list) only shows some of the remaining channels, the list of which runs off both the top and bottom edges of the client and are inaccessible because you cannot scroll through the list.

Mostly we started criticizing your rage post because we disagree with the point you are raging at.

I would NOT appreciate a rollback, as i prefer the new Neocom to the old (although there are things that can be improved, obviously.) I also got the feeling that the majority approved of the new Neocom (at least from those i spoke to ingame), so excuse us disagreeing with your comments.

I, for example, like that chat windows minimize to the Neocom instead of the lower end of my screen. I see that as a UI improvement, as it keeps the borders off my screen free of windows (i keep all other windows a few dozen pixels from the borders of the screen, as i want to see where all the brackets in space are for piloting and those are lumped to the edge of the screen, when the celestials/other-space-stuff are off-screen).

So, when we disagree with you, we are free to voice that, just as you are free to voice your anger at the changes to CCP.

@OP OMG THANK YOU!!!!

chat button gone hopefully forever-- I'm so happy, CCP don't you dare force me to have it back! Stick it in one of those dropdown menues if you need to put it somewhere, so it doesn't get in the way.

also +1 for ability to drag bookmarks onto the bar, that would actually be useful.