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Mission running - Am i doin' it wrong? Help desperately needed

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Will Bloodreign
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-25 02:04:00 UTC
Incoming TL;DR. Sorry, but I really need help:

I've finaallyy trained to fly a Megathron with this exact fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27750-Megathron-425mm-Mission-Mega.html

I am aware that Dominix is notoriously more popular for running L4 security as Gallente, but the ship looks like a giant boot (Plus i'd rather do the shooting than rely on drones). I got some recommendations to fly a Megathron instead, and that ship's appearance is beautiful.

However, the missions seems INCREDIBLY time consuming, not only does it take absolutely ages flying to objectives at 110m/s , but I seem to be pulling off dreadfully low DPS (316dps including drones) It takes a very long time to destroy enemy ships.

The concept of Eve is incredible, but unless I find something active/exciting to do in it, I'm going to get bored ;< (I doesn't have balls for pvp yet). I mined and trained for a long time to buy and fit a battleship.

I tried adding a MWD, but could only get enough CPU for that by taking off one turret, lowering my DPS even further.

  • What am I doing wrong?
  • Have I chosen the absolute worst ship for L4 missions?
  • What do you suggest to get through missions faster as a Gallente pilot?
  • Do I just have to wait for even more months of training?


Thanks for reading.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#2 - 2012-01-25 02:28:29 UTC
First off here's why Domis are popular.

Drones will never do as much DPS as guns in the long run, however they're easy to make effective through skills in the short term than guns are.

Gunships at their most effective require a fair number of skills, not least having T2 turrets, AWU to fit the largest T2 guns possible, and surgical strike/rapid fire for the damage boost.

On top of that you'd be wanting your remaining skills to increase your tracking, cap cost and range. And at least Battleship IV (though the same can be said for the domi there.)



As to the fit itself, personally I'd say it's overtanked. If you're shooting Serps you do not need two Kinetic Hardeners. Drop one and add a third T2 Magstab.

When you've decent gunnery skills it'll start to show, though by that point you'll be sick of your Mega and want something better, like a Vindicator.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-01-25 04:12:49 UTC
Will Bloodreign wrote:
The concept of Eve is incredible, but unless I find something active/exciting to do in it, I'm going to get bored ;< (I doesn't have balls for pvp yet). I mined and trained for a long time to buy and fit a battleship.

PVE is rarely exciting imho. If you want excitement, then you must try to PVP.

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Nrazza
Liquid Words
#4 - 2012-01-25 04:29:38 UTC
Will Bloodreign wrote:
Incoming TL;DR. Sorry, but I really need help:

I've finaallyy trained to fly a Megathron with this exact fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27750-Megathron-425mm-Mission-Mega.html

I am aware that Dominix is notoriously more popular for running L4 security as Gallente, but the ship looks like a giant boot (Plus i'd rather do the shooting than rely on drones). I got some recommendations to fly a Megathron instead, and that ship's appearance is beautiful.

However, the missions seems INCREDIBLY time consuming, not only does it take absolutely ages flying to objectives at 110m/s , but I seem to be pulling off dreadfully low DPS (316dps including drones) It takes a very long time to destroy enemy ships.

The concept of Eve is incredible, but unless I find something active/exciting to do in it, I'm going to get bored ;< (I doesn't have balls for pvp yet). I mined and trained for a long time to buy and fit a battleship.

I tried adding a MWD, but could only get enough CPU for that by taking off one turret, lowering my DPS even further.

  • What am I doing wrong?
  • Have I chosen the absolute worst ship for L4 missions?
  • What do you suggest to get through missions faster as a Gallente pilot?
  • Do I just have to wait for even more months of training?


Thanks for reading.



This is the exact reason why i trained Caldari and then trained Minmatar and the Trained Amarr. For me it just didnt seem to work and once i trained up enough for Maelstrom i never looked back the difference between the ships are insane. If you want you can always try a blaster fit but for me that was just too much running around and chasing stuff down.
Will Bloodreign
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-25 12:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Will Bloodreign
Nrazza wrote:

This is the exact reason why i trained Caldari and then trained Minmatar and the Trained Amarr. For me it just didnt seem to work and once i trained up enough for Maelstrom i never looked back the difference between the ships are insane. If you want you can always try a blaster fit but for me that was just too much running around and chasing stuff down.


Thank you very much for the replies, they have been very helpful. Even though I prefer Gallente as a faction, I'm not sure I'm that keen on their ships. I may look into training for another faction. I like the idea of Amarr ships, is there a possible ship that is notorious for tearing through L4s missions?
Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#6 - 2012-01-25 12:29:06 UTC
Will, I fly Gallente, Amarr and Minnie BS. I use the Marauders for missions now, but I used to love the navy Megathron.

For normal t1 hulls though, the maelstrom takes some beating. The tank is easy to fit ( shields) and the ability to change damage type in the ammo is a huge bonus to your mission speed. Unless you are training Gallente BS to 5 go for the Maelstrom.

I can't speak for missle boats, never flown them, but for t1 turret ships, the Mael takes some beating imo.



Will Bloodreign
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-25 12:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Will Bloodreign
Dilligafmofo wrote:
Will, I fly Gallente, Amarr and Minnie BS. I use the Marauders for missions now, but I used to love the navy Megathron.

For normal t1 hulls though, the maelstrom takes some beating. The tank is easy to fit ( shields) and the ability to change damage type in the ammo is a huge bonus to your mission speed. Unless you are training Gallente BS to 5 go for the Maelstrom.

I can't speak for missle boats, never flown them, but for t1 turret ships, the Mael takes some beating imo.



By takes some beating, do you mean it has a weaker defence? Or that it can take more of a beating than the others due to stronger defence? Also what would be the benefits of switching to Maelstrom compared to Megathron? Would I pull off higher dps and speed through missions faster with a MWD/AB? I would rather stick to Megathron IF I can get it to perform as well as other battleships, I'd just really like to fit a MWD, but that seems quite hard with a Megathron.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#8 - 2012-01-25 13:49:03 UTC
Maelstrom is probably the best T1 Bs for missioning and good for fleet PvP. As with all other ships, you require a lot of skills until it really shines though. Taking a beating means that it has a really good tank.

If I was you , I would stick to Gallente for now, it is not much use if you crosstrain so early. I dont know how much SP you got but doesnt sound like a lot.

Train all gunnery support skills to IV and Gallente BS to IV. Add a good fitting and it should work for starters. Once you get good drone skills the Domi is probably more effective.

If you want to crosstrain despite the advise, from T1 BS Maelstrom is best imo, followed by Abaddon, but only vs Sansha and Bloods. Don't bother with Raven and missiles, they are easier and better for low SP chars but in the end turret based ships overtake performance wise.
Will Bloodreign
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-25 14:37:21 UTC
I think i'll be sticking it out with the Megathron, and slowly keep those gunnery skills rising. I've given up on the idea of a MWD, even though I'll be incredibly slow, seems like dps suffers too much when I fit one.
Bent Barrel
#10 - 2012-01-25 15:01:21 UTC
the fit is not bad, just needs to reorder the drones ... and a propulsion mod. you can drop to 350mm rails once you have T2 guns available. better tracking, better cap stability, not much damage lost.

5x hobgoblin for frigs and 4x warden to help the rails.

the wardens will add 180DPS.

get to mission, drop sentries, fire away. if things get too close, recall sentries, burn away, fire at larger targets with guns and mop cruisers and frigs with hobgobl1ns.
Kira Deschain
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#11 - 2012-01-25 16:30:59 UTC
Will Bloodreign wrote:
I think i'll be sticking it out with the Megathron, and slowly keep those gunnery skills rising. I've given up on the idea of a MWD, even though I'll be incredibly slow, seems like dps suffers too much when I fit one.


Good idea, stick with your chosen faction for now and train those gunnery skills. It didn't sound like you had trouble tanking the missions, just that it takes forever to kill stuff and travel around the pocket. Try to fit an afterburner instead of the MWD. It will be easier for you to fit and will help you get to those gates much faster.

Also, try to fly with a friend on the L4s until your skills are a bit better. You will get through them much faster that way and that will net you more isk even if you are splitting the rewards. If you have no friends to fly with, come find me in Minmatar space. Smile
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#12 - 2012-01-25 16:42:19 UTC
Will Bloodreign wrote:

I am aware that Dominix is notoriously more popular for running L4 security as Gallente, but the ship looks like a giant boot (Plus i'd rather do the shooting than rely on drones). I got some recommendations to fly a Megathron instead, and that ship's appearance is beautiful.


If you like it, then fight for and stick to it.


Will Bloodreign wrote:

However, the missions seems INCREDIBLY time consuming, not only does it take absolutely ages flying to objectives at 110m/s , but I seem to be pulling off dreadfully low DPS (316dps including drones) It takes a very long time to destroy enemy ships.


When I did fleet PvP, megas were primaried because they put out dangerous damage (and had thinner tank), therefore you are doing something wrong.


Will Bloodreign wrote:

The concept of Eve is incredible, but unless I find something active/exciting to do in it, I'm going to get bored ;< (I doesn't have balls for pvp yet). I mined and trained for a long time to buy and fit a battleship.


PvE can be boring in EvE, get used to it, until you have good skills and can go glass cannon.
I used super-mega-extra-glass cannon Maelstroms and it was all but boring. In the end I even removed all tank except 1 inv field so I could squeeze out 1 minute out of a few minutes AE stage 1.

At the same time, a BIG mistake most players do is to be scared of PvP and wait to learn it till it's too late.

I assure you, once you'll have 60M SP and expensive implants you will NOT have the balls to go lose it in a frig PvP learning to fight (even using a jump clone).
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2012-01-25 16:52:41 UTC
Keep skilling up. That fit should get over 400 dps from guns. It isn't perfect but it's a good start.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#14 - 2012-01-25 17:03:18 UTC
Will Bloodreign wrote:
Dilligafmofo wrote:
Will, I fly Gallente, Amarr and Minnie BS. I use the Marauders for missions now, but I used to love the navy Megathron.

For normal t1 hulls though, the maelstrom takes some beating. The tank is easy to fit ( shields) and the ability to change damage type in the ammo is a huge bonus to your mission speed. Unless you are training Gallente BS to 5 go for the Maelstrom.

I can't speak for missle boats, never flown them, but for t1 turret ships, the Mael takes some beating imo.



By takes some beating, do you mean it has a weaker defence? Or that it can take more of a beating than the others due to stronger defence? Also what would be the benefits of switching to Maelstrom compared to Megathron? Would I pull off higher dps and speed through missions faster with a MWD/AB? I would rather stick to Megathron IF I can get it to perform as well as other battleships, I'd just really like to fit a MWD, but that seems quite hard with a Megathron.


MWD fits require several things.

1: Advance Weapons Upgrade for the extra PG without sacrificing gunsize.
2: Damn good tanking skills so you don't perma run your repper.
3: A Cap Booster instead of jamming all your midslots with CRII's (which also means you can fit 2 tracking computers on there, bonus!)
4: The ability to pay attention.


Railthron boats sit and shoot on the spot. MWD helps moving from gate to gate though so you will find your missions run smoother.

As your gunnery skills, cap skills and tank skills all get better, and you reach Gal BS IV, T2 guns and all your cap/tanking supports are at V (though armour comps can be IV) look to getting a Navy Mega. The extra lowslot allows for a better fit balancing tank vs gank, also faction fittings by that point might be worth a look at.

Poke me a mail in game if you've any questions over the next few months, I'm always free to help out mission runners make the most of things :)

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Malaxy
Spite Industries
#15 - 2012-01-25 20:55:11 UTC
All sound advice above but since I did exactly what you are doing now I thought I would still chime in.

It just kind of sucks at first. I started with a Mega and it would take 3+ hours to clear the bigger L4 missions. Now it's a Navy Mega and it's 30-60 minutes. Just start working on gunnery skills until you are happy with your damage (will probably be after you get T2 guns); after that start working any fitting skills that you need. Weapon Upgrades and advanced weapon upgrades probably helped the most as it let me fit more than enough tank and all the guns it could hold.

Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#16 - 2012-01-26 00:29:27 UTC
OP:

I have a friend who has experienced some of what you have, difference was he loves caldari, and loves the rokh and struggled much like you to complete missions in a timely fashion.

If you'd like you can add me and we can have a convo ingame some time hopefully I can help.