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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#81 - 2012-01-25 19:30:51 UTC
The point is that there are plenty of options available to keep yourself from becoming a victim, options that many people use successfully every day.

The only thing this thread accomplishes is to proclaim that you are unable or unwilling to figure out how to use them.

We all realize the reality that some players are not as proficient as others, but it takes a special kind of person to admit their ineptitude to the world like this.

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Honnete Du Decimer
#82 - 2012-01-25 19:31:14 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

Moved from General Discussion.


R.I.P. thread.Cry

PMS [:p]
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#83 - 2012-01-25 19:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Sorry, delete. Trying to figure out why I am getting busted parse errors.

Gizznitt Malikite quote

With all due respect because while my tinfoil hat might tell me there are other options, I will assume you were well intentioned but most dps in EVE is base damage and resist fits don't work when you ae dealing with alpha damage.

The flaws in your fit are everywhere. A medium core defence fit means you survived the volley and are recharging your shield. The resists don't buffer base damages, only the resist damages.

The best fit to survive a volly or alpha strike is a DCU hull tank. Base damages don't work with hull and you only get resist numbers on the hull at 40% thier value, so the volley never pops you.
You can't buffer hull tank a ship that only has 2 lows.
Honnete Du Decimer
#84 - 2012-01-25 19:33:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Honnete Du Decimer
Ocih wrote:
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode


Ocih wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I outline a 30-40k EHP hulk with t2 miners in this article.


With all due respect because while my tinfoil hat might tell me there are other options, I will assume you were well intentioned but most dps in EVE is base damage and resist fits don't work when you ae dealing with alpha damage.

The flaws in your fit are everywhere. A medium core defence fit means you survived the volley and are recharging your shield. The resists don't buffer base damages, only the resist damages.

The best fit to survive a volly or alpha strike is a DCU hull tank. Base damages don't work with hull and you only get resist numbers on the hull at 40 percent thier value, so the volley never pops you.
You can't buffer hull tank a ship that only has 2 lows.


There all fix.

PMS [:p]
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#85 - 2012-01-25 19:38:20 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

Moved from General Discussion.


R.I.P. thread.Cry


It reminds of of Yahoo chat some times. If a room saw extended traffic it got spammed in to submission.
Here it's as if they want to kill a thread and move it to the dustbin of sub-forum.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#86 - 2012-01-25 19:39:33 UTC
I think my IQ dropped due to bad grammar...

Thanks OP!
Honnete Du Decimer
#87 - 2012-01-25 19:41:12 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
I think my IQ dropped due to bad grammar...

Thanks OP!


Mon plaisir.

PMS [:p]
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#88 - 2012-01-25 19:41:37 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

Moved from General Discussion.


R.I.P. thread.Cry


It reminds of of Yahoo chat some times. If a room saw extended traffic it got spammed in to submission.
Here it's as if they want to kill a thread and move it to the dustbin of sub-forum.

The thread turned from discussion into "let's add a new feature". It belongs in F&I. Besides, there's fewer trolls here.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#89 - 2012-01-25 19:44:23 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
I think my IQ dropped due to bad grammar...

Thanks OP!


Mon plaisir.

To be honest, you're more understandable than some native English speakers who appear to have failed their first grade spelling and grammar lessons. Bien fait!

Edit: though do keep working on improving, please Blink

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Honnete Du Decimer
#90 - 2012-01-25 19:45:15 UTC
More dead threads. CCP, troll, player all - no one read this forum.

PMS [:p]
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#91 - 2012-01-25 19:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
I think..... if the kill happnened in empire space outside of a wardec, the victim should get a permanent killright.... that would state if the griefer is kill on sight to all NPC entities in empire space for as long as the victim sees fit.

The griefer gets one gank, then gets the finger from hisec space (the same system the victim is in) concord for however long it takes him to refund/bribe his way out of **** creek by offering the victim compensation, or finding new intuitive ways to explore the wonderful world of 0.0 pvp, where he can be free and beware non pvp oppressors....

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#92 - 2012-01-25 20:29:29 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
More dead threads. CCP, troll, player all - no one read this forum.

Other people who care about discussing adding new features or changes to Eve do, including myself. The thread will die not because it got moved to F&I, but because it's yet another "CCP, I'm too busy bearing to get this ganker off me" thread.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#93 - 2012-01-25 21:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
Ocih wrote:
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode


Ocih wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I outline a 30-40k EHP hulk with t2 miners in this article.


With all due respect because while my tinfoil hat might tell me there are other options, I will assume you were well intentioned but most dps in EVE is base damage and resist fits don't work when you ae dealing with alpha damage.

The flaws in your fit are everywhere. A medium core defence fit means you survived the volley and are recharging your shield. The resists don't buffer base damages, only the resist damages.

The best fit to survive a volly or alpha strike is a DCU hull tank. Base damages don't work with hull and you only get resist numbers on the hull at 40 percent thier value, so the volley never pops you.
You can't buffer hull tank a ship that only has 2 lows.


There all fix.


Thank you for the formatting Honnete.

@ Ocih
1.) First, you need to learn what "base damage" actually means! Resistances Matter! If you don't believe me, I can prove it to you in game, or on the test server...

2.) Surviving an alpha volley is a good thing, doing so and still having some shields is even better! What is the complaint here?

3.) Agony Unleashed has a long history of teaching people to PvP. Please ask around, our reputation should alleviate your suspicions regarding nefarious motives.

4.) While the BC ranking system surely has flaws, please except this as evidence that I'm not a beginner. I'm very much experienced in PvP, and know the value of buffers, resistances, alpha strikes, logistics, and EWAR.

I spent a some time writing the Fighting Hulkageddon article, and if you find any flaws, errors, or have any suggestions or questions, please send me an EvE mail. I'll happily address them.
Honnete Du Decimer
#94 - 2012-01-25 21:35:20 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Thank you for the formatting Honnete.

@ Ocih.


Maybe like her post? They are see notification point for this thread.

PMS [:p]
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#95 - 2012-01-25 23:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Stuff CCP put in the editor and cant support with BBC



Other Ocih.

I don't have the SP in Minmatar but I was able to set up a baddon with 1400 meta 4 and hit a Hulk at Optimal.

Unfitted it insta popped.
Just a DCU2 it went to 50% hull in one volley
Just 2 Invulnerabilities it went to half armor I think?
DCU 2 and 2 Invulnerability it took around 10% of the armor. (It took 3 volley to kill it)

Macki numbers are much lower. They have half the hull of a Hulk because thier T1 variant is a lower class and not a niche.

To your point because I used a gimp with the Baddon but I fit meta 4 and pimped the 'suicide" ship it should work out. The point being, insta popping a Hulk is not an option and I doubt it could be done to a Macki.
T1 versions? No prayer.
Your fit systems work but this was all derailment. It started out as a discussion on Iterons, Badgers and other obselete ships due to massive alpha and the lost to gains ratios.
And so it goes with the forum. Derail to fail, the OP never had is objection addressed. It was just trolled in to a conversation someone else could "win".

To your point though, the fits work.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#96 - 2012-01-26 01:29:31 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Stuff CCP put in the editor and cant support with BBC



Other Ocih.

I don't have the SP in Minmatar but I was able to set up a baddon with 1400 meta 4 and hit a Hulk at Optimal.

Unfitted it insta popped.
Just a DCU2 it went to 50% hull in one volley
Just 2 Invulnerabilities it went to half armor I think?
DCU 2 and 2 Invulnerability it took around 10% of the armor. (It took 3 volley to kill it)

Macki numbers are much lower. They have half the hull of a Hulk because thier T1 variant is a lower class and not a niche.

To your point because I used a gimp with the Baddon but I fit meta 4 and pimped the 'suicide" ship it should work out. The point being, insta popping a Hulk is not an option and I doubt it could be done to a Macki.
T1 versions? No prayer.
Your fit systems work but this was all derailment. It started out as a discussion on Iterons, Badgers and other obselete ships due to massive alpha and the lost to gains ratios.
And so it goes with the forum. Derail to fail, the OP never had is objection addressed. It was just trolled in to a conversation someone else could "win".

To your point though, the fits work.


Thank you for taking the time to check my fits. Your right, I should try to stick to the topic. As such, I'll address a few on-topic points:

1.) I'm ok with suicide ganking. I think it adds an interesting side to the game. I do not believe making hisec some completely safe haven is good for the game, and frankly, wardecs are broken! Non-consensual PvP is a core element of this game, no matter where you live. Adapting to it is an important part of having a successful EvE life.

2.) I fundamentally like the idea to give killrights against all character's on an account, but fear it has unintended consequences that alter other parts of the game. I can't think of any real problems it has, and so I cautiously support this idea. At the same time, most people that could truly suffer from this will circumvent the issue with multiple accounts, and I don't think the infrastructure exists to address multiple accounts. It is a little immersion breaking to give out killrights to all characters, however I'm sure some story about inept concord clerks screwing up while adding capsuleer ID numbers into the killrights database will suffice.

3.) Tanking Haulers: Outside of t2 industrials, Orca's, and Freighters, most haulers are fairly susceptible to suicide ganking. You can fit a tank on them, but nothing truly significant unless you decimate its hauling limits. IMO, all haulers are vulnerable to suicide ganks by organized groups... but so what. Fly smart and use the options available for hauling. The primary tool is to reducing the motivation of a gank. This is beating a dead horse, but profit is a significant motivation for hauler-gankers. Limit the value of goods you carry enough, and it won't be profitable to gank you. If you need to transport something expensive, you can use the "double-wrapping" trick to hide it from scanners, you can transport it in a BS, you can use t2 haulers (which really are much harder to catch and kill), you can an Orca's Corp Hangar, or you can pay someone else to take the risk with a courier contract. There really are tons of ways to move blingy gear around in EvE, and I have no sympathy for fools that haul expensive assets in a fragile ship.
Honnete Du Decimer
#97 - 2012-01-26 12:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Honnete Du Decimer
I no want stop suicide gank but I want chance change way end and revenge on the real character.

1) More tank.
2) Shield transfer
3 a) Concord slower
or
3 b) Ganker war declare one person and they get "Concord is get bribed to look other way if you attack by someone."
4 a) All fleet get kill right or agg no matter system
or
4 b) All corp get kill right.

PMS [:p]
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#98 - 2012-01-26 16:51:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:
The truth is there are ships in EVE that simply are not space worthy. It's like riding a bicycle on the freeway. You just don't do it. These ships don't even need extreme adversity. All ships are destroyable with extreme force. Some are incapable of even absorbing minimal damage.

An Iteron can't be fit to survive a volley from anything but a frigate. Neither can a Badger or a Bestower. I don't know if they should be changed or not. Untill they are, I use them to drag ore back to a station and nothing else. Maybe that was thier one trick all along.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6073085


Let me guess: AFK alt in a Caracal, or AFK guy sitting in space in a Caracal. Either way, it's bs.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#99 - 2012-01-26 17:05:09 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:
The truth is there are ships in EVE that simply are not space worthy. It's like riding a bicycle on the freeway. You just don't do it. These ships don't even need extreme adversity. All ships are destroyable with extreme force. Some are incapable of even absorbing minimal damage.

An Iteron can't be fit to survive a volley from anything but a frigate. Neither can a Badger or a Bestower. I don't know if they should be changed or not. Untill they are, I use them to drag ore back to a station and nothing else. Maybe that was thier one trick all along.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6073085


Let me guess: AFK alt in a Caracal, or AFK guy sitting in space in a Caracal. Either way, it's bs.


I believe it... I know of several incidents where bored corp members would setup a battle iteron or battle badger and hunt interceptors. They can easily be setup with 10+k EHP tanks, which is double what that caracal had. And while they don't dish out much dps, you can fit a large amount of EWAR to incapacitate their target.

Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2012-01-26 17:31:00 UTC
As it stands a lot of ships can't stand a suicide gank period. There is no time to call for backup unless you have someone aligned and ready to warp in on your position.

Sorry, but the game is not how the video made it out to be. Maybe this is where a lot of the aggro comes from?