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, instead of . to seperate isk from cent. **** YEAH!

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2012-01-25 20:12:34 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
Joahna Gramer wrote:


Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them.

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In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a mess… I know).
Source



My grammatical point still stands. Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct. If a period is used to separate sentences in text, and a comma is used to allow a pause in a sentence, then mathematically these two symbols should in any right-thinking world be used in the exact same context.

The excerpt from dailywritingtips.com is simply aping what people 'do'. Whilst a vast majority of people may be doing it this way, it implies that their math is all horribly wrong (economic crises anyone?). Of course, language is a fluid and beautiful thing - new ways and old ways of speaking and using words occur every day, but - getting back to the topic here - grammatically, the way the likes of the Icelanders use commas and periods in displaying numbers is undeniably and horribly backwards, and just because people got taught wrong doesn't mean it should stay that way :P

"grammatik macht frei", etc



While to us that makes perfect sense, a large portion of the worlds population thinks differently.

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Famble
Three's a Crowd
#22 - 2012-01-25 20:47:50 UTC
We Americans may be stupid to neglect the metric system but we got it oh so right by using periods to indicate fractions of whole number.

e.g.

1,000.00 = One thousand isk = Correct
1.000,00 = Just r3tarded

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Flios Bror
Persnickety Pilots
#23 - 2012-01-25 21:12:38 UTC
I've submitted a bugreport [126281] about this since it wasn't in the patch notes.

I suspect Eve is now using the locale of the OS.
Is That Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-01-25 22:22:03 UTC
Hate the change ... need to move my hand all over the keyboard to type the ',' now.

To correct those above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
(check the globe image as well there)
ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-01-25 22:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ASadOldGit
This shouldn't be something the user ever sets (per software).

All software should be reading the users' "Region and Language" settings (for Win 7, in this case) to get the users' date and time formats, decimal symbols, digit grouping symbols, etc.

That's the whole point of localisation - the developer doesn't have to guess what the user wants - they just read the O/S, which they can rightly assume the user has set up in advance, to be used in all their software.

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-01-25 22:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
WRONG WRONG WRONG
A period is correct. Trust me, Australia knows its stuff.

Besides, in scientific notation I believe that even Europeans used a period. Well, Wikipedia mentions nothing about commas. Probably because no one cares.
3.4 * 10^32

'Grammatically' it also makes sense, as a period is used to separate two different 'ideas', if you will, while a comma is a continuation of the same thing.

If read like a sentence:

$12,726.21
Twelve thousand, seven hundred and twenty-six dollars. *STOP* and twenty-one cents.

$12.726,21
Twelve. *STOP* Seven hundred and twenty-six and twenty-one. (WTF?)
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#27 - 2012-01-25 23:04:04 UTC
This is a lame conversation... so lame in fact I think this may very well be the most boring conversation in the entire history of the interwebz. Periods vs commas? You guys are dorks.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#28 - 2012-01-25 23:12:46 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
Joahna Gramer wrote:


Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them.

Quote:
In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a mess… I know).
Source



My grammatical point still stands. Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct. If a period is used to separate sentences in text, and a comma is used to allow a pause in a sentence, then mathematically these two symbols should in any right-thinking world be used in the exact same context.

The excerpt from dailywritingtips.com is simply aping what people 'do'. Whilst a vast majority of people may be doing it this way, it implies that their math is all horribly wrong (economic crises anyone?). Of course, language is a fluid and beautiful thing - new ways and old ways of speaking and using words occur every day, but - getting back to the topic here - grammatically, the way the likes of the Icelanders use commas and periods in displaying numbers is undeniably and horribly backwards, and just because people got taught wrong doesn't mean it should stay that way :P

"grammatik macht frei", etc


All your snobbish babble crashes against one single point: periods and commas are not grammatical symbols when used in numbers.
Dmian
Gallenterrorisme
#29 - 2012-01-25 23:15:18 UTC
What is correct is to use the system's localization settings for input and display of numbers and dates. So if you're in the USA you'll use "." as decimal mark, but if you're in, say, Germany, you'll use "," as decimal mark. Same with date conventions (MM/DD/YY for USA, YY/MM/DD for Japan, DD/MM/YY for the rest of the world).

Saying that a convention for numbers in a country is "correct" over a convention for numbers in another country is so idiotic as an argument that I will consider it just bad trolling.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#30 - 2012-01-25 23:16:21 UTC
ir'a based on your regional settings... so for example, for the Americans(or anyone using "us" settings) "." is the decimal symbol while it's "," for Icelandic.

Joahna Gramer wrote:
Best. Change. Ever.
Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot.
Pierced Brosmen wrote:
Realy?
Awesome, been hoping for that to change ever since I started playing

I'm glad you like it... should I maybe not tell you that you could always do that by swapping 2 values in the prefs file... yeah, I think I won't P

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-25 23:19:45 UTC
Which continent is currently experiencing a financial crisis for some of its countries?
Europe.

What do they use as a decimal mark when considering large sums of money?
A comma.


Oh dear.
It looks like commas are incorrect.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#32 - 2012-01-25 23:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
So about 80% of the world uses the . instead... interesting.

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-01-25 23:25:15 UTC
I feel like having another little rant.

DD/MM/YY is correct.

MM/DD/YY is not correct.

Days go into months, and months go into years. DD/MM/YY is a logical progression of size.

MM/DD/YY, however, is just an eyesore and logical failure.

I can respect YY/MM/DD, but one must consider that when it comes to dates we often care about the day and month before anything else.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#34 - 2012-01-25 23:26:32 UTC
I get yelled at when I do 25 Janurary 2012. I dont know why :(

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-25 23:29:04 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I get yelled at when I do 25 Janurary 2012. I dont know why :(

That opens up another good point.

MM/DD/YY
January 25 2012

Woah. Uh oh. The numbers are next to each other. Not good.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#36 - 2012-01-25 23:32:25 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
ir'a based on your regional settings... so for example, for the Americans(or anyone using "us" settings) "." is the decimal symbol while it's "," for Icelandic.

Joahna Gramer wrote:
Best. Change. Ever.
Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot.
Pierced Brosmen wrote:
Realy?
Awesome, been hoping for that to change ever since I started playing

I'm glad you like it... should I maybe not tell you that you could always do that by swapping 2 values in the prefs file... yeah, I think I won't P


Wondering if I should report a DEV for EULA violation by discussing changing game files? (just kidding)

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#37 - 2012-01-25 23:44:14 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
I get yelled at when I do 25 Janurary 2012. I dont know why :(

That opens up another good point.

MM/DD/YY
January 25 2012

Woah. Uh oh. The numbers are next to each other. Not good.


I think the MM/DD convention arouse because speaking "January twenty-fifth" Is a little faster than " The Twenty-fifth of January", and that small gain in simplicity won. So in the US we use the odd ordering MM/DD/YY. Except for independence day which is still referred to as "The Fourth of July".

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#38 - 2012-01-25 23:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
MadMuppet wrote:

Wondering if I should report a DEV for EULA violation by discussing changing game files? (just kidding)

don't do itShocked, I love my job Big smile
As far as I know it's OK to change the prefs file.

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-01-25 23:50:52 UTC
Oh look, another thread that devolved into an anti-American rant.
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
#40 - 2012-01-26 00:30:43 UTC
Where is "prefs file" to change comma to dot?

Thanks