Ships & Modules

edit: I hate these forums sometimes ffs

Hmmm, that's a fair assessment of how AFs just go poppity pop pop pop to medium sized guns! ITS NOT FAIR!

-Liang

Uh, seriously?? I was looking at the Retri and was pretty floored ... I am actually planning on sporting Vengeances, Hawks, and Retris soon. Though the Harpy is just lolariously OP at this point. That extra slot is just ridiculous.

-Liang

tbh I prefered a 5th turret to the 2nd midslot.

that thing has "I'M A ******* MOBILE TURRET PLATFORM!" all over it.





but that's personal opinion.

Posting in a Liang troll thread.

As was stated.. Gallente's hull hps = win. You should complain why the retri got a hp buff over the Matars (I'm not complaining about that tho).

I still don't have experince yet with these ingame.. neither fighting against nor flying yet, so speaking strictly from past experince of before, and what I eyeball now after.

The Harpy looks like it might take king of frigs. Still curious to see how one of Liang's handles a Daredevil and Cruor piloted/fit well.

I made a 400 dps dual-prop face tanking Enyo on eft that I can't wait to try, looks like a lot of fun. (I said fun, not optimum fit)

Retri has a point now and I think best dps dmg projection out to point, plus a hardy tank.

Slap some speed on hawk's low, dual small cap booster, medium shield boost fit rocket kiter immune to T2 light drone dps.

Vengence still looks like best scram/web tackler out of the lot, minus speed to jag.

You know if anything.. the jag took to the biggest hit.. simply by what others got and not being directly nerfed at all. Thinking I might just revert my jags to arty kiters and knock off the web/scram tackler role.. maybe idk yet.

Wolf is still alpha beast.. can have respectable numbers across the board all around, same as always.

Not an Ishtur fan, not a droneboat fan period. I don't know how to comment on it. Was well respected and annoying before, any buff just adds to that since the others can't really step on its toes to the extent the others do to the jag.

I'd say the 8 of'em look more balanced and closer together in overall abilities and being capable than before. Much closer knit options instead of the stereotype (false in some reguards) of just jag/ish/ven and nuttn else.

Strictly speaking, the Harpy was *ALWAYS* king of frigs - you just had to have AF5 to make it so. As to how it would handle a DD or Cruor fit... well there's only one way to know for sure. I'd say that if either one of them let me in range or they're close range fit (such as the Cuor relying on neuts instead of webs+range) they're most assuredly dogfood. I've taken more than one close range DD in a pre-buff Harpy.

IMO with either ship the key will be staying out at range and utilizing faction webs to keep me there. I'd probably die eventually to both ships - but on the flip side I think the Harpy has a much wider target selection so I'm fine with losing in certain R/P/S situations.

-Liang

I must have missed the memo. :)

-Liang

I have reviewed the rest of the thread and haven't found anything that invalidates my point about giving the given modules a tracking attribute.

They are offensive modules after all, they actually need to 'hit' their target. If they were AOE as their current function suggests then that would be quite different.

As it stands you need to lock the target, be in range and simply activate. Relative velocity notwithstanding. Seems ridiculous for an offensive model to 'instawin' against an opponents core defence especially if that defence was the design intention.

edit: and of course, fitting a tracking disruptor to your brawler would allow you to perform your function with much greater effectiveness against the above example because their offensive modules wouldn't be performing at a flat efficiency against you. It would fluctuate and eventually drop off as you enter orbit range.

It would then additionally require a more balanced target fleet since 2 ships would be required to pull you off which would have the flow-on effect of less 20-man tornado fleets. Every tornado that gets targeted needs a buddy to bail him out.

As a general question has anyone tried the 75mm rail harpy? that used to be awesome...I can only imagine it has gotten better with the new bonuses...I'll have to fit one.

Hooray for the Ishkur and a pre-emptive Gallente nerf!