Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Anyone know where I can find kills vs losses statistics for Eve.

I can find kills, and I can find losses, and I can find individual ship rankings, but I can't find anything that will show kills vs losses statistics

Fits and player effectiveness are none of my concern. I only want to see the pvp related kills and losses of all ships.

I keep hearing the recurring 'the minmatar will get nerfed next' in this thread. Utter rubbish.

Look at the general state of nerf history in the game as they pertain to races. Minmatar ships will not get nerfed whatsoever. You that suggest it will happen, are delusional.

There's no reason whatsoever to nerf drakes yet again. If anything they could use an explosion velocity bonus without an ehp loss. Myrm could use it's drone bonus boosted up to 100m3, without nerfing it in any other way.

Lowest common denominator nerfing is the most ******** thing you can do in game design. It's not fun for your players.

when initiating combat missile boats must guess which range to warp in at, thus giving both fleets equal opportunity at winning. So either the missiles land outside of the turret's optimal, under it and pwn them.
Or, the missiles warp in directly inside the turret optimal and get pwned. The only way the missiles will win in this situation is if they knowingly have more dps reguardless of the range of the fleet they warped in on, which can only truly be determined by the number of people in the fleets. Meaning that the missile boats can set the fight in their favor by sheer numbers alone.
So their overall chance when initiallizing the fight is about 60-40 in favor of the missile boats.(numbers don't always make the difference)

Now, when the turret fleet gets the opportunity to engage the fight, they have a very distinct advantage.
If they scan down a fleet of drakes they will know their potential dps, potential tank, and their potential range. Now, there's a chance that the drakes are fitted with ham's, and there's a chance that they have some crazy fit going on, but in both of these cases that missile fleet would be full of idiots because they're taking away from the advantages the drake has with is EHP and range, so you can generally assume that the drake fleet with have the same general fit of any other drake fleet in game, because there aren't many capable fits for drakes that will be able to handle any situation. So, right off the bat with the scan the turret fleet already has a major advantage which is probably a good 80% advantage in favor of the turrets, because they know everything about the missile fleet.
Now, the turret fleet also gets to warp in at whatever distance they determine, which is generally directly within optimal range, thus giving the turret fleet an even greater advantage.
So now, the battle is close to 95% in favor of the turret fleet because they know EVERYTHING about the missile fleet to include numbers, potential dps, potential EHP, potential range, damage type, and on top of that they get to set the range of the battle knowing that they will be more effective than the missiles if they warp in at their optimal range.

You pit a turret fleet against a turret fleet and you'll generally have the same potential advantage as missiles taking on turrets, which is jsut a simple guess plus the size of the fleet, which is also the same for missiles vs missiles.

But turrets have a very distinct advantage when engaging a missile fleet, and still have a fair shot when the missile fleet initiates.
So where's the balance in that?
So now you want to take away from the one distinct advantage a drake fleet would have over any other fleet, that being EHP?

All ships have to guess which range to warp in at if their scouts are that poor. With proper intel, it's a complete nonissue.


Except they aren't. Fleet Drakes are HML fitted. Still:


Umm, no, the battle is 95% in favour of the side that had the highly capable scouts and intel. I could replace "missile fleet" with "Hellcat fleet" or "Alpha mael fleet" and it would read pretty much the same.


So basically, Drakes are fine because they can die to gun fleets when the Drake fleet has useless scouts/intel and gets jumped at the wrong range by a fleet of battleships.
Right.
And I say battleships because, as I've quite bluntly shown, other BCs simply don't compare in fleet warfare. The difference is ridiculous.

I'm happy with the changes make use of people explosive/em hole in armor/shield. HAM's become useable again. You are able to hit a new target 25% faster because of rate of fire change and hit the current target 25-50% faster because of velocity change lets see if it is 5 or 10% a level. Keep the same engagement ranges because hitting at max range is stupid now days. Get a HIC on them and watch them burn.

Says you, I've not seen any concrete numbers to prove how much better it may be offensively, and you only get a large dps gain by switching to HAMs which have some well known issues of their own, not only would their Tank be suffering from 25% less resistances of every type, but you would need to have at least one Target Painter to have any hope of realizing a true DPS gain further gimping the Tank

Except I've already mention that having this damage doesn't matter.
You can give the drake this change without any other changes and it will not change the effectiveness of the drake in pvp...

WHY???
Because in pvp everyone omni-tanks and attempts to have as close to equal resistances as possible, so reguardless of which damage type the drake uses it will have the same general dps against it's target.


Your assumption here is that the drake will maintain the exact same fit that it does now.

No, it won't.
Instead, it will become a smaller version of a Raven.
Meaning it will have to reduce it's tank for more effective dps, it will have to reduce its dps in order to have more cap stability/anti-ewar capability, then reduce it's tank more to have more ewar, leaving less cap for tank, meaning you'll lose more dps and/or tank in order to have more cap /cap security.

So, it's tank will not just simply be reduced by 25%. That's only the initial numbers.
Try building a good solid raven fit for pvp...They suck at pvp whether using torps or cruise missiles because they have to exchange way to much dps and tank for other capabilities.
The drake will have to do the same, thus the drake will become as useless in pvp and the raven....(which truly sucks at pvp)

Sure, the usual Abaddons and Maelstroms tend to be omni-resisted, but most other PVP ships tend to have a resist hole somewhere.


Um, why exactly? HML explo velocity/radius hasn't taken a nerf, Drakes can and do already fit target painters without sacrificing tank, and thus hit just fine.

Ravens on the other hand are stuck with the same mid count but far less precise missiles, and as a result have to make compromises too large to be practical.
And then there's the fact cruise missiles suck, but HMLs are just fine on the damage front.