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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2012-01-25 17:07:54 UTC
only played around with the neo-com briefly but I like it so far. I like how most of the buttons I rarely use are now hidden in sub-menus so I don't have to look at them until I need them.

the chat issue doesn't really bother me as I never close/minimize it
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#402 - 2012-01-25 17:08:56 UTC
...to put something positive to this thread also:

I like the new user list resizing optionality function. It is really well planned and executed.
Well done.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Tesla Grass
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#403 - 2012-01-25 17:12:20 UTC
Firstly, big thanks for not only this patch but of what all of crucible has brought us.
But why cant things be the way we left them, why after every patch does **** always revert back to the "default"?
I would have loved it if with this new neocom i could come in, have it as how it was and then customize it from there, not having to figure out where everything is and then customize it all.
AND if I spend time now customizing it to make it suit me, ARE you going to revert it all back to "default" after you patch it? resetting all my windows is still an ongoing process WEEKS after the last patch, its still opening some containers on my cargo window and some on other windows I have open and it drives me nuts, if we have to do this again and again with the neocom you might as well just leave it uncustomizable and just force it on us as to how you think is best.
Akasshia
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#404 - 2012-01-25 17:22:38 UTC
Is anyone else having issues with re-sizing a windowed client. I can drag horizontally, but not vertically & if i try to change in the esc menu, it just reverts back to the original dimensions. Now the only way i can see the bottom third of my screen is to work in full screen mode which makes multitasking a pain.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#405 - 2012-01-25 17:43:04 UTC
Confirmed. Remote reps for FW members on gate rocks socks.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Mugen Nomadicus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#406 - 2012-01-25 17:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mugen Nomadicus
So am I the only one who thinks the new ability to move drones directly from cargo to drone bay is a balancing issue?

That's probably because not everyone has noticed yet. When Assault Frig fights start never running out of drones, when everyone and their mother's PVP fit includes ECM and damage specific drones, people will start realizing that the one advantage Gallente ships had, now everyone has. Making Gallente even more useless then the extreme fail they already are.

Think we can get our Gallente SP back CCP? That'd be nice.

At the very least, ships w/ drone cargo perks should get something in place of it. Drone speed maybe?
Aina Stormborn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#407 - 2012-01-25 18:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aina Stormborn
Since disable neocom and switch neocom searches are without result, my question. Can I witch back to the old style, it really did the thing for me. The new one may be awesome, but I really liked the old one better.
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#408 - 2012-01-25 18:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
El'essar Viocragh wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
Sorry CCP Punkturis. But I have the right to be rude against incompetence. If you want to read all of my impressions of the bug hunter team please read here.

Especially my second post. If someone do not give the name within his stupid answer, you can easy think about why. Because he is wrong and fears my petition concerning incompetence. Bug hunters should be CCP employees. Not 2 weeks old players.

Oh.. nearly forgotten. Bring back the old neocom and names of modules please.

Cali, you have whined about every single line of every single patchnote in the last five years.
You would rage if CCP changed the HP of an Infrastructure Hub by literally 5 HP - without having ever left highsec.

For years now it is beyond my comprehension why you still play. There is literally nothing in EVE that you like or ever liked for that matter.

@CCP Punkturis: sorry about him.... one of those ashamed for someone else moments. Sad
And btw, any info on the weird skill progress statusbar that was brought up a few pages ago?


I do not whine about everything. But fact is:
- The new neocom is new but not better (you self have a problem with the useless progress bar under the charpic)
- Groups can not be renamed? Why? Forgotten? In a customizable Neocom? Lol
- The names of the buttons are missing. Missing! In a customizable Neocom?
- Too small charpic
- Sh!t Chaticon cant be removed. In a customizable Neocom?
- Icons for items and ship hangar are fixed on a dumb position. In a customizable Neocom?
Why do CCP call this crap customizable, when nearly nothing is customizable? I am not able to "customize" the look and functionality like the old, known and loved neocom. Why?

- The renaming is also dumb. Something I could live with .. but still dumb. No one had an demand on this.
- Bug hunters are incompetent, when they do not know the basic standing mechanics and claim, that a bug is NO bug. You can trust me about NPC-standing mechanics; you also know what I do in EVE. Also annoying is, that a bug hunter is not able to answer to a bug report if the bug is more than a wrong decription of an Laser Crystal or Implant- And when he finally answers he will do it in such a dumb style.

It seems, that I am not the only one who is disappointed about CCP's bad work. And I say what I dislike. Maybe a little bit to often in the chatchannels. Blink

If someone want to remove the useless chat icon, you can find a clear guidance here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61470
Reboot Mizuno
Xtreme insidious Corporation
#409 - 2012-01-25 19:18:25 UTC
I really like the new NeoCom. The flashing of the chat icons makes it possible to minimize chats with very low activity and you can only popup the chat windows, when someone actually wrote something. Before it was really a problem how to stack your chats in windows, to not cover your whole screen with windows and minimizing didn't really work good either, because the minimized window titlebar would overlap other windows. The only improvement I would like to have is, that the client would save which windows are minizied and restore the state when you login to the game again. The window to join new chat channels that is currently integrated into every chat window with the small bubble icon, could probably also be integrated into the new NeoCom chat menu.
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#410 - 2012-01-25 19:21:55 UTC
i almost hurt myself changing to "compact chat" so fast


seriously, best update ever
OlRotGut
#411 - 2012-01-25 19:44:15 UTC
Potamus Jenkins wrote:
i almost hurt myself changing to "compact chat" so fast


seriously, best update ever



seriously. =)


oh and they could seriously please everyone if they just allowed chat windows their own ungrouped button(s) in the neo com. with an ability to either custom name them or put their channel name on the button.
Darod Zyree
Doomheim
#412 - 2012-01-25 20:05:43 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=703994#post703994
Ladeon Six wrote:

1) Memory usage in the client.

Firstly, the client now uses like 300-400 MB more memory than it does before. Before Incarna, my client was using maybe 350 MB of memory per client. After Incarna they hovered around 700 MB per client, which might be understandable with the graphics updates and WiS.

But seriously, Crucible 1.1 memory usage is 900 MB to 1.2 GB memory PER CLIENT. Is there some explanation for this major increase?

On a modern desktop with 8GB of memory it might not be a big deal, but people for multi-box and when we run clients on let's say a laptop with 4GB of memory it starts to cause some problems.


Confirming this, the increase in memory usage PER CLIENT is so much more now, what the hell happened.

And this is without resource cache enabled even...

CCP can you confirm? and give an explanation why?
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#413 - 2012-01-25 20:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Jita
PLEASE make the contract icon blink when a contract is completed again, no blinking is the absolute WORST thing for serious contract traders, I have to constantly reopen the contract window to check if something was bought/sold it is killing me.

edit: SEEMS THIS WAS FIXED TODAY? Actually maybe not it only does it sometimes.


ALSO as noted above, the increased memory usage is unacceptable, my two clients now use over 900MB EACH, and yesterday my windows 7 box BLUE SCREENED because of it, something that has never happened before. Jumping into a new system makes my memory use go up by 50MB+ per client.
Bob Bedala
#414 - 2012-01-25 20:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Bedala
When is the window minimising & stacked windows stuff going to be rolled back?

I would like to be able to undock at some point, I can't now because;

  • i will have to reorganise the flight UI (and retrain my muscle memory)
  • I cannot do that in a way that works due to unfinished work as explained in the dev blog post
  • it makes using local for intel much harder as someone explained above
  • i will have to turn all blinking off
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#415 - 2012-01-25 20:37:51 UTC
Darod Zyree wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=703994#post703994
Ladeon Six wrote:

1) Memory usage in the client.

Firstly, the client now uses like 300-400 MB more memory than it does before. Before Incarna, my client was using maybe 350 MB of memory per client. After Incarna they hovered around 700 MB per client, which might be understandable with the graphics updates and WiS.

But seriously, Crucible 1.1 memory usage is 900 MB to 1.2 GB memory PER CLIENT. Is there some explanation for this major increase?

On a modern desktop with 8GB of memory it might not be a big deal, but people for multi-box and when we run clients on let's say a laptop with 4GB of memory it starts to cause some problems.


Confirming this, the increase in memory usage PER CLIENT is so much more now, what the hell happened.

And this is without resource cache enabled even...

CCP can you confirm? and give an explanation why?

This

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#416 - 2012-01-25 20:57:25 UTC
As a customizeable NeoCom I would like to re arrange the new one EXACT the same look, as it was before. Because you can not use this mess of blinky little buttons without names.

Before these chages, CCP should not be allowed to call this mess: Customizable NeoCom. X
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#417 - 2012-01-25 21:07:19 UTC
ROLLBACK THE MISSILE NAMES !!!11111111111111111111111111111111 *plenty of censored words*
SERIOUSLY WTF?=???

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#418 - 2012-01-25 21:09:40 UTC
OlRotGut wrote:
Potamus Jenkins wrote:
i almost hurt myself changing to "compact chat" so fast


seriously, best update ever



seriously. =)


oh and they could seriously please everyone if they just allowed chat windows their own ungrouped button(s) in the neo com. with an ability to either custom name them or put their channel name on the button.




the patch could have come with a punch in the face and id still be happy.


Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#419 - 2012-01-25 21:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashina Sito
Edit: Humm.. wrong thread and the problem seems to have been ISP related. Logged out for several hours, came back and no crashes. You can ignore me. Sad


I am getting constant crashes since with the current update. Everything was fine last night when I logged off.

I normally run two clients (with the same install). I tried running with a single client and the crashes continued. The Eve client runs ok for 1-2 minutes then the client crashes to the log in screen.

The client lags for a few seconds then crashes.

Restarted computer, same result.

Uninstalled update, Eve reinstalled, still crashes.

No bug report sent yet.

Going to use my old Win XP hard drive and update that client and see if I git the same issues. (I am on Win7)

FYI, only changes to my computer have been Avast Virus updates and installing the current new Eve update.
Marius Evo
Crack Babies
#420 - 2012-01-25 21:44:05 UTC
Some of these things have been said but I had already made the list! So here goes!

Quote:
Hi CCP

My neocom is kinda messed up.

1: I can't remove the chat icon in the drop down menu that keeps blinking all the time. I Would love to see my wallet blinking but I don't want to see the chat icon blinking. (my chat window is already blinking when someone writes - Only setting is all or nothing)

2: If I open a browser window I get a second browser icon in my neocom bar. Can I prevent that from happening? I mean the Icon is already there (Like the "Fitting" icon, sticks to one icen)It would make more sence if it was there when I minimized it - Not when I'm using it! (The same goes for all the icon's in the Station Services" window)

3: How do I remove the "Items" and "Ships" icon in the lower left corner of my neocom when I'm docked? I already have them on my right side of the screen.

4: If I open my "cargo" and "scanner" they just appear like some blue icon with an "I" in them. Can I prevent them from appearing? I already have the button for both down left of my capacitor status.

5: Also if I open "Character info" and "Fitting Management" I get the same blue icon with an "I" in it. I can't tell what is what!

6: If I creat a new "Group" Can I rename it so I know what's in it?

7: Why can't I put all the useless blue icon's with the "i" in it, into the groups?

I might run into more issues but I have only messed around with it for a couple of hours. Hope you have an answer or a fix for the problem.

Best wishes



Hope you will do something about these things!