Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well eve ships uses gravity drives as well hence sumbarine mechancis. So it may be that the reason why we stop isntead of hurdeling out of control the gravity drive is compensating for the orbital forces influencing it.

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I don't want system resources devoted to moving objects in space that could be better spent in other places. Yes I agree it would be very cool, and more realistic, but in reality it is going to use system resources to calculate the movements even if it's marginal and I'd much rather see that spent on other things.

The ONLY way I'd agree to this being a good idea is if it was setup so that the crap was only calculated to move once a day or once a week (say at downtime)

I get sick of seeing games impliment meaningless stuff as a way to add eye candy to games... Like trees waving in the non-existant breeze in various other mmo's.

As I said, It would be a cool addition, roid fields, etc.. but I hate the idea that it comes at the expense of system resources. So if it's done at a reboot time, with just a chance in database and draw points at system load, then I'd go for it, but a constant update of planet position every hour or so I wouldn't like it a bit. especially since it'd be hardly noticeable.

well, having trees and making them randomly move goes hand in hand. And (properly) implementing trees in the first place is more difficult than creating a fake breeze (a few random params in the vertex shader).

Honestly i fear this kind of attitude. Why? Because thats why proper games die, all we get are toon shaded crap trying to get rid of any detail (e.g. SWOTOR). Just compare the art style of diablo 1 with 3 and have another example. If nobody pays attention why should we implement it?

all those little things add up. The first time i played eve i really couldn't believe why everything is static, NOTHING moves. You don't have to catch/evade asteroids while mining, moons are static, planets, cosmic signatures, WHs etc..

thats boring. Making some of the stuff above move might not be so much work as you think and it could be implemented incrementally.

(edit: but later i noticed its all about submarines...)

Eve need more life and this is ALOT simpler to impliment than forcing NPC traffic.

as stated before, if bookmarks are created with Reference points, being the closest celestial plus said celestial vector, and grids move along with their celestials, this is math wise actually pretty easy to do. bookmarks for example can be stored as:

Pseudocode:

Get_celestial
get_Relative_Cordinates=X:X:X

that simple.

Now since the Grid is the one moving itself ships wont have to compensate for the celestials movement.

and last the Warping issue of landing out of position, is a simple formula too.
something like:

Get_target_speed (as +X,+Y,+Z)
Get_warp_time

Warp_target= (target_speed*Time) + target X_Y_Z

doing it on real time can be programmed on an additional core as to not cause lag on systems, so it would not affect perfomance wise.

And besides, the distance from earth to sun is 1AU and we take 365 days to rotate. So doing it live would be kinda useless anyways, the movement would be barely noticeable, if at all. Some planets move faster, yes, but still unless its a planet less than 1au from the sun that moves retardedly fast somehow without falling into a farther orbit, you wouldnt notice it within a day. For us, Mercury has the shortest "year" or revolution around the sun and that is 88 days. So throughout a day you will see 1/88th of a revolution on a tiny orbital path. There really is no need to do it live and it would cause too much strain. It should just be done at downtime.

Actually it never was argued on this angle.
The previous arugment has always been bookmarks and bookmarks breaking.
You can move a grid in system inventory much more easily than you move the entire inventory becuase the thing is they are working on this now to allow destroyable outposts.
XYZ of stuff does not require a down time, it only requires a downtime to verify the position of where the object should be. The rest can run off a clock. Having stuff run off a clock is amazingly stupid easy when it comes to databases (and possibly amazing stupidly able to break everything in the entire world. currenly we have a leap second every so often for every database in the world to prevent such catastrophies that would make y2k seem like a tiny bug)

Remember CCP has this crazy plan.

Its called Death to Downtime

What used to be multiple hours is now down to 15 minutes or even less these days.

actually, depending on the moon's distance from its center of motion, the perceived distance of that 12 degrees can vary greatly, as to move 12 degrees its moving 12 degrees through ITS ORBIT, and the longer the orbit the more distance it must travel for every degree it moves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Uranus

As you can see in the chart there about the moons around uranus. The greater the mass of the moon the further out it orbits and the longer it takes to orbit as it has further to travel. That and generally speaking, the further out moons with more mass, arent moving any quicker, if not more slowly or at the same pace but with more distance to cover.