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Why complain about PvP?
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#21 - 2012-01-25 16:49:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Show me where CCP said EVE was a PvP game.

What is EVE Online?


Checked your link.
PvP - Text not found
Player versus Player - Text not found

http://www.eveonline.com/features/
I checked there too. Never saw mention of PvP only or PvP at all for that matter.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2012-01-25 16:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ocih wrote:
Checked your link.
Try reading it as well.

Just because people are too illiterate to read or to stupid to understand what they read doesn't change the fact that CCP markets and presents the game as a near-100% PvP envronment.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#23 - 2012-01-25 16:52:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Checked your link.
Try reading it as well.

Just because people are too illiterate to read or to stupid to understand what they read doesn't change the fact that CCP markets and presents the game as a near-100% PvP envronment.


"In EVE you are free to choose your own destiny. You start out as a character from one of four races that inhabit the EVE universe but apart from slightly different starting skills you are free to take your character in any direction you want. You are not restricted by predefined character classes or professions. You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration, focus on research and manufacturing, or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non player controlled, run by the EVE system) agents. What you choose to do day by day is up to you. You can play alone, form a corporation (equivalent of clan or guild) with a close group of friends or seek entrance to any of the large player run corporations and alliances already established. The EVE Unviverse and its 5000 unique solar systems are yours to explore and conquer. "

Doesn't sound like PvP to me.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#24 - 2012-01-25 16:54:25 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.


I don't get a lot of game time. Job and all. So I spend a lot of time on the forums. And I'm not picking up on people complaining about the existence of pew pew PvP. What I am perceiving are expressions of stress and frustration that accompany a lack of ability to exact some revenge or "get some back". There's also a level of helplessness that only serves to exacerbate the situation. Face it, not all players are willing to engage in the PvP that involves pew pew....but all players deserve the right to play the game by subscription.

Really, must we continue to suffer the delusion that of 40,000 players logged in to Tranquility that the majority of them pay any attention at all to the recommendations posted on the forums?

No, and it really is delusional. Crowds don't work that way.

I find it bizarre that in a server population of this size, and with its global reach, that some find it annoying to encounter a full range of human responses; including risk/loss aversion, introversion, etc.

The solo hauler gets ganked and loses a large chunk of ISK. Quick, what's he do? What's he do that doesn't involve waiting for better combat skills (even if he's uninterested in that part of play), joining a corp (even if he does not want to join a corp), or hiring mercenaries (even if he's been aware enough to learn to trust no one).

One method could alleviate a chunk of the frustration and reduce the feelings of helplessness. A real, working bounty system.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-25 16:55:32 UTC
Pedant.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2012-01-25 16:57:05 UTC
Ocih wrote:
"You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration"

Doesn't sound like PvP to me.
You need to have your ears checked.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-25 16:57:19 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
lol, eve is not listed as solely a PVP game

google has - EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players.


Did I say "solely PvP" ?? or did I say "rooted in PvP".
There's a difference, eve is pvp everywhere with varying consiquences for your actions.

Solely PvP would be BF3 or the like.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#28 - 2012-01-25 17:00:33 UTC
Here is the catch to all the people so eager to argue with me.

I agree. EVE is a PvP game. My point is, it doesn't get sold as such. So back to what I said, tell CCP to **** or get off the pot.
Its PvP, it isn't policed, Industry is for alts and be ready to lose a few subs when you own up.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-01-25 17:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ocih wrote:
Here is the catch to all the people so eager to argue with me.

I agree. EVE is a PvP game. My point is, it doesn't get sold as such.
…except that pretty much all the promotional material highlights the PvP, and that all the buzz surrounding the game is about the large-scale PvP and the massive affects players have on each other. Not to mention the first page of the FAQ, the player guide, the interviews they do, etc. etc. etc.
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So back to what I said, tell CCP to **** or get off the pot.
They already do.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#30 - 2012-01-25 17:07:57 UTC
It may not be sold as Player verses Player,

But its definetly sold as massive player interaction!

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#31 - 2012-01-25 17:08:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Here is the catch to all the people so eager to argue with me.

I agree. EVE is a PvP game. My point is, it doesn't get sold as such.
…except that pretty much all the promotional material highlights the PvP, and that all the buzz surrounding the game is about the large-scale PvP and the massive affects players have on each other. Not to mention the first page of the FAQ, the player guide, the interviews they do, etc. etc. etc.
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So back to what I said, tell CCP to **** or get off the pot.
They already do.


We will have to agree to disagree on that note.
A few trailers amplifying the PvP doesn't count as selling EVE as PvP. Everything on this site paints it as so much more and so full of options. Go get standings with Joe corp in Amarr when we all know that won't make any difference to your PvP career.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2012-01-25 17:13:21 UTC
Ocih wrote:
A few trailers amplifying the PvP doesn't count as selling EVE as PvP.
It's not just a few trailers, though. It's everything. It requires a massive amount of effort to miss the PvP nature of the game — the only way it would give off any other impression is if clueless dolts go around telling potential newbies that it is something else.

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Go get standings with Joe corp in Amarr when we all know that won't make any difference to your PvP career.
Of course it does.

If joe-corp is a PC corp, it means you have an ally against your competitors.
If joe-corp is an NPC corp, it means you have better access to their services, giving you an edge over your competitors.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#33 - 2012-01-25 17:15:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
"You can trade to make a living, conduct mining operations, market your fighting skills as a mercenary, camp the spacelanes for profit as a pirate, conduct espionage and infiltration"

Doesn't sound like PvP to me.
You need to have your ears checked.


If you feel the duty to cherry pick CCPs words,

"or perform increasingly profitable missions for NPC (non player controlled, run by the EVE system) agents"

Not my words, from the CCP link you provided.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-25 17:16:46 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
lol, eve is not listed as solely a PVP game

google has - EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players.


Did I say "solely PvP" ?? or did I say "rooted in PvP".
There's a difference, eve is pvp everywhere with varying consiquences for your actions.

Solely PvP would be BF3 or the like.


Even is not described as being rooted in PVP either. Unless you mean PVP in all manners of life and not just combat
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-25 17:17:43 UTC
If buying stuff from other players is pvp then there is pvp in the pve servers in wow aswell.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#36 - 2012-01-25 17:20:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Not to mention the first page of the FAQ, the player guide,


The following text is selected from The Player Guide;

Quote:
EVE caters to many different play styles, ranging from the hard core combat commander to the patient miner, and there are corporations that have very different goals; most require all types of players to function properly,so no matter what type of player you are, there is a place for you in EVE, even if you decide to carve it out yourself.

The high security areas are a safe place to start, until you are ready to venture into the more aggressive areas of the game.

However, the level at which each player decides to participate is a matter of personal choice. The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo playing aspects.


I provided the bolding. If a person is interested in playing Eve Online and reads this first.....tell me honestly what you think their first impression may be?

If it's incorrect, CCP needs to have it edited to fit what the forum warriors insist is the reality.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#37 - 2012-01-25 17:21:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
if clueless dolts go around telling potential newbies that it is something else.


The Player Guide was written by clueless dolts.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#38 - 2012-01-25 17:22:02 UTC
The strong will surive in eve.. The weak will die.. Eve's simple laws of nature...

Still I wished that all eve would be nullspace.. much more exciting than now... But I guess noobies need protections.. like it matters. haha..Twisted

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#39 - 2012-01-25 17:23:38 UTC
Back on topic, I've never heard anyone, anywhere complain about PvP in EVE.

It's the lack of policing and exploitable mechanics that allow for completely unethical game play to dominate.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#40 - 2012-01-25 17:24:03 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game?

I've been saying this for quite a while. The tutorials are PvE and mission-based; is it any great wonder that there are thousands of players wandering around highsec running missions and not knowing how much content there is that they're missing?

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