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Fanfest devtrack and 3rd party dev drinks

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CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2012-01-24 17:08:07 UTC
Hey all, CCP Seagull here.

I'm the new "Product Owner" for the API, and some of you might remember me from the "Dream apps" session at the devtrack at Fanfest last year.

This year we're doing the devtrack again. The Devtrack is a set of presentations on tools and technologies for 3rd party developers - a kind of mini-conference inside Fanfest that welcomes anyone with an interest in 3rd party development .
A special sign-up for that will launch soon(tm). Until then, here are some questions for you:

- What would you like to see in the devtrack this year? We have some ideas and plans already, but I'd like to get your input and experiences from last year, or just general wishes.

- Would anyone be interested in being a dedicated liveblogger and/or deal with livestreaming the devtrack through some service like Ustream or Bambuser? I would really like for devs who can't make it to Fanfest to take part somehow, but don't have the resources for a full on livestreaming thing. If someone would be interested in taking this on, I'd be able to help with a lot of infrastructure. Get in touch with me if you'd be interested in doing something like this, to share the devtrack with people who can't make it to Iceland.

- For those of you making it to Fanfest, I've heard talk about organizing "3rd party dev" drinks some evening. I'd be happy to join, and there will be other devs interested in tagging along too - if you organize something, let me know when and where, and we'll show up. (within reason in terms of time and place!! =) )

/CCP Seagull
PS: If you want to talk about feature requests for the API, please contact me through EVEMail or start a thread, rather than using this thread. I'll be around both this forum and the #eve-dev IRC channel from now on.

Senior Producer, EVE Online Development CCP Games Reykjavik

Jercy Fravowitz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-24 17:14:26 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
- For those of you making it to Fanfest, I've heard talk about organizing "3rd party dev" drinks some evening. I'd be happy to join, and there will be other devs interested in tagging along too - if you organize something, let me know when and where, and we'll show up. (within reason in terms of time and place!! =) )

interested 3rd party devs please throw me an evemail, irc query or reply here.
Desmont McCallock
#3 - 2012-01-24 17:50:40 UTC
First after Jercy (the man is back?)
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#4 - 2012-01-24 17:57:33 UTC
Minor third party, but certainly interested in the devtrack :)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Matalok
Slackers and Nihilists
#5 - 2012-01-24 20:28:02 UTC
The Devtrack last year was informative, i'd love to see it return for 2012. Maybe a session called "3rd Party Devs tell CCP their ideal API endpoints", i'm sure a few of us could go on all day Big smile
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-25 09:09:08 UTC
This year'll be a first for me, so I really do not have any idea what I'd have to expect. Can I find anything anywhere on what last year was like? Otherwise, I'll submit recording equipment as a suggestion for this year ;) (possibly combined with the aformentioned live streaming).

Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer

Matalok
Slackers and Nihilists
#7 - 2012-01-25 09:39:36 UTC
Callean Drevus wrote:
This year'll be a first for me, so I really do not have any idea what I'd have to expect. Can I find anything anywhere on what last year was like?


They're all up on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyrImQ1yltc&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL8242616EB0E17217
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
HORSE-KILLERS
#8 - 2012-01-25 15:30:50 UTC
totally up for the drinks, just need to get travel to iceland sorted.. seems the package i wanted is not available (anymore)

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Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-25 15:33:17 UTC


Thanks, interesting material :)

Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer

TorTorden
Tors shibari party
#10 - 2012-01-26 01:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: TorTorden
Even I managed to get alot out of the dev track last year and Im just a self taught poser.

largest problem was scheduling but that probably goes for all the other tracks as well.

As for the dev drinks maybe just take over one of the meeting rooms, get some booze and some catering and we could throw ideas around all night.

I bring this suggestion up since all icelandic bars seem to think that mood music should be at least 120 decibel, not exactly good when you are trying to have a conversation.
CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2012-01-26 11:08:06 UTC
TorTorden wrote:
I bring this suggestion up since all icelandic bars seem to think that mood music should be at least 120 decibel, not exactly good when you are trying to have a conversation.


There are no bars in Iceland. The proper term is a pulub.
The term is a composite of two nouns:
Pub
Common, chiefly brittish, short for public house. A building with a bar and one or more public rooms licensed for the sale and consumption of alcoholic drink, often also providing light meals.
Club
Common short for Nightclub. A place of entertainment open until late at night, usually offering food, drink, a floor show, dancing, etc.

I imagine that the idea is to cater to as large of an audience as is possible. Sadly this falls flat on its face. There is no dancefloor for starters. In all reality there is hardly room to get around from any point to another as the Pub portion of the Pulub demands sitting space for all visitors. To make up for the lack of a dancefloor the music is cranked up to earbleeding levels resulting in everyone having to yell at their nearest neighbour to hold up a conversation with them. Coupling this with the proximity of all the tables and the fact that these places are not designed with acoustics in mind, you end up with some sickening mix of loud dance music reverberating off all the wrong surfaces and filtered through all the random conversations around you. It's a lot like working on a large factory line without the proper ear-protection. Sometimes you're lucky and find a bar that isn't playing dance music and has a live troubador performance instead. However, that troubador is bound to suffer from an inferiority complex regarding the noise levels of his music as he is raised in the pulub environment I've just described. So classic guitar played with the ferocity of someone trying to sound like dance music is the order of the day!

Of course this isn't true. There are a few clubs and few proper pubs here. But the majority of establishments here seem to go for what I described to some extent.

Also, GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMN KIDS! Lol
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-01-26 13:32:04 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
TorTorden wrote:
I bring this suggestion up since all icelandic bars seem to think that mood music should be at least 120 decibel, not exactly good when you are trying to have a conversation.


There are no bars in Iceland. The proper term is a pulub.
The term is a composite of two nouns:
Pub
Common, chiefly brittish, short for public house. A building with a bar and one or more public rooms licensed for the sale and consumption of alcoholic drink, often also providing light meals.
Club
Common short for Nightclub. A place of entertainment open until late at night, usually offering food, drink, a floor show, dancing, etc.

I imagine that the idea is to cater to as large of an audience as is possible. Sadly this falls flat on its face. There is no dancefloor for starters. In all reality there is hardly room to get around from any point to another as the Pub portion of the Pulub demands sitting space for all visitors. To make up for the lack of a dancefloor the music is cranked up to earbleeding levels resulting in everyone having to yell at their nearest neighbour to hold up a conversation with them. Coupling this with the proximity of all the tables and the fact that these places are not designed with acoustics in mind, you end up with some sickening mix of loud dance music reverberating off all the wrong surfaces and filtered through all the random conversations around you. It's a lot like working on a large factory line without the proper ear-protection. Sometimes you're lucky and find a bar that isn't playing dance music and has a live troubador performance instead. However, that troubador is bound to suffer from an inferiority complex regarding the noise levels of his music as he is raised in the pulub environment I've just described. So classic guitar played with the ferocity of someone trying to sound like dance music is the order of the day!

Of course this isn't true. There are a few clubs and few proper pubs here. But the majority of establishments here seem to go for what I described to some extent.

Also, GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMN KIDS! Lol


That is strange indeed. Is there a population shortage among the Icelandic people? Here in New York you have to let the opposite sex know you are interested in one of two ways.

Verbally- "OOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! How YOU doin'?????

if too loud then

Physically-wigglel-wiggle-wiggle-grind-dip-swivel-take your shirt off-flex- wiggle....(dance floor required)

Up until I read this I thought that every people of every country did it that way (New York IS a country, right?).

You guys employ a stork or something?! Does the King of Iceland (Hilmar of course) issue a "there will be children" decree and his subjects simply make it so.

Explain please.




Desmont McCallock
#13 - 2012-01-26 13:44:41 UTC
And then HE made the internet.... (problem solved)
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-01-28 08:45:39 UTC
Jercy Fravowitz wrote:
interested 3rd party devs please throw me an evemail, irc query or reply here.

Just confirming I'm interested Blink

Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer

TorTorden
Tors shibari party
#15 - 2012-01-28 10:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: TorTorden
The D1ngo wrote:

That is strange indeed. Is there a population shortage among the Icelandic people? Here in New York you have to let the opposite sex know you are interested in one of two ways.


Well I'm only guessing here, but something like 80% of the population go for higher education in Denmark or the rest of Europe,
Guess they hook up there.

Or they do it like here in Norway where you really only go out to get a buzz going before heading home to get properly drunk off illegal moonshine and fall **** first into whomever seems willing.

If I'm right it must be something in the genes.

(Being Norwegian and going to Iceland was like going to visit a distant cousins with a strange way of pronouncing their names, weirdly alien but also incredibly familiar)
TornSoul
BIG
#16 - 2012-01-30 20:53:05 UTC
Matalok wrote:
The Devtrack last year was informative, i'd love to see it return for 2012. Maybe a session called "3rd Party Devs tell CCP their ideal API endpoints", i'm sure a few of us could go on all day Big smile

All day AND all night P
ShadowMaster
#17 - 2012-01-31 01:41:47 UTC
Jercy Fravowitz wrote:
CCP Seagull wrote:
- For those of you making it to Fanfest, I've heard talk about organizing "3rd party dev" drinks some evening. I'd be happy to join, and there will be other devs interested in tagging along too - if you organize something, let me know when and where, and we'll show up. (within reason in terms of time and place!! =) )

interested 3rd party devs please throw me an evemail, irc query or reply here.


Replying here to confirm I will be attending the Dev Track and would love to join you guys for some drinks. Shall send you an EVE mail as well. Look forward to Fanfest this year as I missed it last year due to the date change. Going to be a good time!
Roc Wieler
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-02-03 19:45:26 UTC
Oh I'll come to your pulubs, Prism. Will you listen to my rants about the API, licensing, lack of business response, and everything else that bothers third party devs?

Never start a fight you can win.

Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
HORSE-KILLERS
#19 - 2012-02-05 08:00:59 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
Oh I'll come to your pulubs, Prism. Will you listen to my rants about the API, licensing, lack of business response, and everything else that bothers third party devs?


right because we are all whining that we cant make money of ccp's IP.

3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications

Jercy Fravowitz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-02-11 17:34:15 UTC
CCP Seagull wrote:
about organizing "3rd party dev" drinks some evening
a) bump.
b) need more codemonkeys to x up for getting drunk with other codemonkeys.

i am aiming for at least one codemonkey from each mildly relevant ingame powerblock or third party site/project here.
if you know what invTypes and/or cachedUntil is without having to ask google, you qualify.

and if you are not going to attend fanfest yourself but know some other codemonkey from your tribe will, please toss 'em a link to this thread. :)