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They won't stop at nerfing the Drake...

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#141 - 2012-01-25 02:01:18 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:


... This is a "misery loves company" approach and should be protested against. Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly.



I fly Gallente, all my ships come pre-nerfed or have already been nerfed to near uselessness.
Welcome to the club ...

Nick

PS - obligatory, "you mad?"



So true ! Great :)
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#142 - 2012-01-25 02:25:50 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion, mate, but I prefer things on the darker end of the spectrum, myself.

Fake-Edit: Activate bass-boost if tune-engine is so equipped, and play extremely loud!


I think you need to suppress your anti-social anger induced psychosis, not amplify it.


Riiiiiiiight...

..Ok, then, going to link some nice, safe, easily-digestible Creed/Nickelback [strikeout]pabulum[/strikeout] videos now...

...RollRollRollRoll

Ni.

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#143 - 2012-01-25 02:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Xolve wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
One day, I hope to be as 1337 as you.

Mother of All Gods be praised, that day is not today.


Oh so you've fallen victim to my riveting tales of exploits and battle prowess, and all the other reasons I'm better then you, huh? ShockedRoll Because you know- thats all that I do, stroll around the forums and profess my awesomeness and superiority to the pleeb like masses of high sec and the lowliest of carebears. Get a grip space friend.

Go back to spewing out diatribes about how amazing High Sec is, and how the Drake isn't imbalanced in comparison to other Battlecruisers; and while you're at it please make mention of why people should be permitted to farm high sec incursions for the maximum duration of their life because after all thats what the devs had envisioned all along; and finally please talk at length as to why lowsec isn't broken and is chock full of content.

I might be a whole list of things, but at least delusional isn't one of them.

Pubbie.


Never said hisec is better--quite the opposite actually.

Never ran an Incursion--I have more fun ways to make ISK that involve actual risk.

I've been one of the ones to say more than most that losec is badly broken--but let's allow Alliances into FW, that'll fix everything.

The Drake is not imbalanced compared to the other 3 Tier 2 BCs.

You have a Hell of a lot more posts than I ever had, or will.

Learn to read and do basic research first.

Pathetic little Internet-cliche of an Insignifi-c-u-n-t.

E: It's plebe, by the way P

E2: Whoops, no it isn't, Petrus got the right one--OK, my bad, I'll let you have that one, Doc. But you're still not getting any Spacebook likes from me regardless. Standards, din'tchaknow, standards!PP

And mucho typing-fail, fixed.

Ni.

Aldous Borrn
League of Gentleman Cartographers
#144 - 2012-01-25 02:49:25 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
[quote=Petrus Blackshell]
So why not bring the other ships up to its' (arguable) standard, then?

Why does this seem so incredibly difficult? (Coding/game-design are not my areas of expertise to put it charitably, so any game-designers/coders/devs, please feel free to lend me your wisdom on this.)




At a guess, it would be more efficient to bring one lonely ship, determined to be over-powered (by whatever means desired - mathematical analysis, popular opinion, reading chicken entrails - whatever) to the benchmark range of comparable ships, rather than bringing a large number of ships up to the range of a statistical outlier. Both from a coding and from a game-disruption standpoint.

Note that I'm not passing judgement on the Drake; simply that if a single ship is determined to be OP, then it makes sense to bring it in line, rather than bringing all its peers in line with it.

You will notice that nerfing isn't all they know how to do. Assault Ships got some love in the patch today.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#145 - 2012-01-25 02:52:28 UTC
Why so many people have so much to say about so little that they will never use

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#146 - 2012-01-25 08:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
Your playing EVE, everything gets nerfed in EVE eventually...

Especially now that TomB has rejoined the Reykjavik office, I bet he is denerfing his nerfbat as we speak...


They get nerfed when fools don't speak up about it and go on pretending it won't happen. I am protesting and asking for it not to happen.


Request...denied.

Although the nerf should be thought out so that it actually is nerfed and not upgraded. Fiddling with its passive or offensive capabilities or both seems a good idea but they need to consider its uses on several fronts.

Oh and hurrah for the assault ships! -glee-

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Mag's
Azn Empire
#147 - 2012-01-25 09:33:03 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:


Reading comprehension, and sarcasm-detection much?
Obviously you haven't.



Actually, no:

I was ignoring you, Mouth:

You're boring.
So you ignore people, by replying to their posts? Good stuff.

As you seemed to have difficulty with a comeback, I guess I should respond with something: Nice burn.

Hope that helps. Big smile

Amidoinitrite?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2012-01-25 09:36:40 UTC
i dont care i can fly anything, go crazy mr.nerfman
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Af'ilia
Af'ilia te's
#149 - 2012-01-25 12:23:15 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Otherwise it will continue until it reaches your favorite craft to fly.


I am a bitter vet. I can fly it all. Something will be FOTM.



Unless you have another toon.... 09 != vet.



Also, op is dumb. Drake will be better, not worse... why are people complaining?

Wait... your a carebear who afk's in lvl 4's in a drake because your too afraid to fit a raven arent you...?

And on that, this is an approach for CCP to keep 3 month old pilots from tanking the **** out of anything with a ship class that never was supposed to be the tankiest mofo in existence. * exaggeration*

Althought the 25% bonus loss is a harsh one, i love the buff its getting... I might actually try using one now...
pussnheels
Viziam
#150 - 2012-01-25 14:27:43 UTC
uumm why not remove all ships except rookie ships and shuttele, now all are equal and there can be no discussion anymore what ships need a buff and what ships need a nerf

Bet they will still complain about how ugly snd unsymetric they look like

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#151 - 2012-01-25 14:44:53 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
uumm why not remove all ships except rookie ships and shuttele, now all are equal and there can be no discussion anymore what ships need a buff and what ships need a nerf

Bet they will still complain about how ugly snd unsymetric they look like

Actually the Velator can field 2 drones, while the others can only field 1. It is OP.

NERF VELATOR!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Lexmana
#152 - 2012-01-25 14:48:20 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
uumm why not remove all ships except rookie ships and shuttele, now all are equal and there can be no discussion anymore what ships need a buff and what ships need a nerf

Bet they will still complain about how ugly snd unsymetric they look like

Actually the Velator can field 2 drones, while the others can only field 1. It is OP.

NERF VELATOR!


wtf you have drones?? Buff Imparior!!
Valei Khurelem
#153 - 2012-01-25 14:49:52 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
uumm why not remove all ships except rookie ships and shuttele, now all are equal and there can be no discussion anymore what ships need a buff and what ships need a nerf

Bet they will still complain about how ugly snd unsymetric they look like


Not only that, they'll complain about how they can't win easily anymore and how they miss all their shiny ships and ph4t faction loot.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#154 - 2012-01-25 16:45:03 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
uumm why not remove all ships except rookie ships and shuttele, now all are equal and there can be no discussion anymore what ships need a buff and what ships need a nerf

Bet they will still complain about how ugly snd unsymetric they look like

Actually the Velator can field 2 drones, while the others can only field 1. It is OP.

NERF VELATOR!


wtf you have drones?? Buff Imparior!!

Impairor has 1 drone just like Reaper and Ibis, IIRC.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#155 - 2012-01-25 17:03:40 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
expensive BC hull

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#156 - 2012-01-25 17:07:14 UTC
"For those that are cheering on CCPs nuking of the Drake from orbit (Under greenlight from the CSM instead of telling us about it before them) Do you seriously think that ships like the Tengu will be spared?"

Um... don't give a sh*t?!

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#157 - 2012-01-25 17:28:24 UTC
nerf drake into oblivion

that is all

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#158 - 2012-01-25 19:47:07 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
uumm why not remove all ships except rookie ships and shuttele, now all are equal and there can be no discussion anymore what ships need a buff and what ships need a nerf

Bet they will still complain about how ugly snd unsymetric they look like

Actually the Velator can field 2 drones, while the others can only field 1. It is OP.

NERF VELATOR!


wtf you have drones?? Buff Imparior!!


Buff Reaper!

Ni.

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#159 - 2012-01-25 20:18:53 UTC
Aldous Borrn wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
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At a guess, it would be more efficient to bring one lonely ship, determined to be over-powered (by whatever means desired - mathematical analysis, popular opinion, reading chicken entrails - whatever) to the benchmark range of comparable ships, rather than bringing a large number of ships up to the range of a statistical outlier. Both from a coding and from a game-disruption standpoint.

Note that I'm not passing judgement on the Drake; simply that if a single ship is determined to be OP, then it makes sense to bring it in line, rather than bringing all its peers in line with it.

You will notice that nerfing isn't all they know how to do. Assault Ships got some love in the patch today.


Aldous Borrn wrote:
[quote=Lyrrashae][quote=Petrus Blackshell]
So why not bring the other ships up to its' (arguable) standard, then?

Why does this seem so incredibly difficult? (Coding/game-design are not my areas of expertise to put it charitably, so any game-designers/coders/devs, please feel free to lend me your wisdom on this.)




At a guess, it would be more efficient to bring one lonely ship, determined to be over-powered (by whatever means desired - mathematical analysis, popular opinion, reading chicken entrails - whatever) to the benchmark range of comparable ships, rather than bringing a large number of ships up to the range of a statistical outlier. Both from a coding and from a game-disruption standpoint.

Note that I'm not passing judgement on the Drake; simply that if a single ship is determined to be OP, then it makes sense to bring it in line, rather than bringing all its peers in line with it.

You will notice that nerfing isn't all they know how to do. Assault Ships got some love in the patch today.


Granted, it's certainly easier.

But I've said it before: Why drag the exceptional down to a more mass-acceptable level of mediocrity when a lot of that which is mediocre can be--and arguably needs to be in a lot of cases, example, many of the cruisers and some of the command ships--brought up? And should be. As regards to cruisers, each race has at least 2 that are completely useless. Where is all the bleating horde screaming for those to be buffed, I wonder?

But the Tier2 BCs are not overpowered--and make no mistake, this is not just about the Drake, this is about all of them (The next victim is the Hurricane, and possibly the 'Binger soon. Myrmi might avoid it--for now--because it needs a slight buff, IMHO). Their abilities make them incredibly versatile, and their cost + low initial skill requirements mean that they'll grow with pilots for a long time, unlike most other ships. So when those pilots lose theirs in PvP, they're much more likely to replace them with...the same ship.

Fundamental question--what makes these ships overpowered? Aside from a bunch of whining babies who clearly can't fly/fit them, nothing, that I can see.

If something that is clearly massively overpowered, with no real counter except more of the same--IE Supercraps--then yes, it needs a nerf, as this is game-breaking. But the Tier 2 BCs have plenty of counters to choose from (3-4 Thorax' will tear a Drake, or any other Tier 2 BC to shreds--just sayin' Blink).

No...this is not a "legit" nerf (If it happens, I might add--we still don't know it will): This is CCP listening to whiners screaming for EVE to be made easier just for them, because they refuse to accept that some things are exceptional, and demand a level of easy mediocrity that they can handle, and are not afraid of. This is what happens when risk-aversion infects a population on such a deep level as it has the EVE player-base.

**** that, and **** them, that's all I have to say about that.

And yes, I do love what they've--******* FINALLY!!--done with my beloved Assault Frigates.

But just you watch:

Within 90 days at most, these same bleating mediocrats are going to be screaming for, I am certain, nerfs to the Jaguar, Wolf, possibly the Ishkur, and almost certainly the Enyo. ("What?? A blaster-boat with a web that helped him murder me even faster???!! This is wrong--I demand nerf-bat, CCP!")

And the cycle of enforced bland, easily-palatable, everything's-basically-the-same-just-different-skins, safe-for-the-weak-little-whine-bears mediocrity continues...Ugh


E: Nerfing may not be all they know how to do, but it does seem their default-reaction, and they do seem to enjoy it.

Ni.

SnowxCrash
Perkone
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-01-26 21:37:14 UTC
Wait, so they're taking away the resist bonus, and giving a velocity bonus, and nerfing the range of missles on it? Why? It doesn't make any sense to me...What's fun about the Drake is that it can tank so well, without that I don't see the point in flying it anymore. It was cheap, could tank hard, do decent dps at a nice range. The perfect ship for new players like myself. Now it's going to be some lame redux of a caracal...How's that interesting? Better yet, why was this necessary? I just got popped and pod'd in my Drake, inside a WH that put my regen at 380hps, and you're trying to tell me it's tanking was OP in pvp?

Ship's like that Drake shouldn't get nerfed around the premise that the flyer would have 20m+sp. There's few enough reasons to encourage new players to stay in Eve, and the Drake has been that for me.