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Directional scanner settings

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Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-25 13:14:07 UTC
couple of questions please re directional scanner.

a. best angle default or 360 degree's?
b. range default or user defined? currently i have set mine to 100km

and the last bit should i tick the active overview box? and if i use this setting then what is the best overview setting to use to avoid loads of junk in the scan window?

apologies if this seems noobish, my real life job limits the amount of game time i get which is not alot at the moment.

thanks

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-01-25 13:38:54 UTC
You haven't explained what you want to use the directional scanner for. That's kind of important if we're going to give you any sort of useful information, though I will say that your overview already sees anything within 100km so setting it to only 100km is pretty much useless.
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-25 14:09:50 UTC
ah ok .
basically just keeping an eye open for incoming rats etc when am mining or scanning

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Nisa Darksoul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-25 14:23:05 UTC
incomming rats are not your issue.

If you are using it for mining, set it to just under the distance to the closest belt (so that you see anything warping into your belt, and not others)

alternate, set it to max and be more paranoid

uses: Dscan will give you approx 7 seconds to see a destroyer or battlecruiser warping into your belt. This gives you enough time to get aligned and start warping. If they have a cloaky friend to warp to, it gives you enough time to warp assuming you're already aligned (bouncing back and forth between 2 align points)

correct use of dscan will minimize your risk of being ganked.
Xerces Ynx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-25 14:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Xerces Ynx
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
basically just keeping an eye open for incoming rats etc when am mining or scanning

NPC rats are not traveling the solar system. They just spawn in a warp. Directional scanner will show you rats that are already on a belt or chillin' somewhere (anomaly, signature etc.) where a player is.
If you are mining, any threat from NPC rats can be seen immediately in your overview. If you see them, prepare for defence/attack. You can't scan them beforehand.

You can scan out pirates (players). There is no general, best setting for D-scan. You just start with 360 degrees, full range and decrease those parameters to pinpoint direction and where (more or less) they can be or where are they heading. If you can see them in d-scan, they can see you too.

EDIT: Smart pirates are hard to scan out on lower angles. You will know they are somewhere in range of your scanner but it will be hard to tell where they are exactly as warping between safe spots is a common practice. Your best option is to scan 360 degrees and warp out if any suspicious ship show up on the list. Note: unless it's a W-space or hostile territory, not all ships will be hostile towards you. You can't tell for sure who is a pirate and who is not, just by analyzing d-scan result. You can combine it with local (except w-space) and combat probes (if you have them) to increase the chance of correct FoF classification, but it still won't give you a definitive answer are you in danger or not.

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Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-25 14:56:06 UTC
ok thanks

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#7 - 2012-01-26 12:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
Xerces Ynx wrote:
NPC rats are not traveling the solar system. They just spawn in a warp.


I've seen rats jumping around a solar system. Not saying they don't spawn in warp. But they do jump around occasionally.

Just set to 360 degrees and max range. Have a tab on your overview selected with a filter that only shows potential hostiles.
Then check the use active overview settings thingie. Sort by range. This way you will have minimal clutter.
This is just for defense of course. Be aligned at all times. Aligning a Hulk takes just enough time to get killed.
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#8 - 2012-01-27 10:33:29 UTC
Although it might not be the best explanation ever, there are a couple hints on how to use the D-scanner on my blog here: http://reduplication.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/m-e-as-guide-to-life-in-lowsec-part-3-finding-and-avoiding-fights-the-dscanner/

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-27 13:10:28 UTC
Xi 'xar wrote:
Although it might not be the best explanation ever, there are a couple hints on how to use the D-scanner on my blog here: http://reduplication.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/m-e-as-guide-to-life-in-lowsec-part-3-finding-and-avoiding-fights-the-dscanner/


THAT is a very instructive reading... for a newb like me that is...
However, there's one thing that ticked about the inner workings you explained, if you don't mind explaining:
You say the DScan operates along the camera position. If I'm scanning a place, with my probes out of my own DScan range, on the map, my camera is focused on the probes, thus not covering the area where my ship is.
Shall I understand that the DScan becomes useless to keep me informed of my surroundings then? yeh see wut I mean?

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Xerces Ynx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-27 14:52:14 UTC
Directional scanner is not moving out of your ship. It's a device installed on it. So, whereever your probes are, the center of the scan is always in the center of your ship (more precicely - where the bracket is). Scanning with probes is a different thing than scanning with a d-scan. Each probe is a specialized scanner and your ship has it's own thingy that can also scan, but only around your ship, at maximum range of 14.9 (14.7?) AU.

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-27 15:06:29 UTC
Xerces Ynx wrote:
Directional scanner is not moving out of your ship. It's a device installed on it. So, whereever your probes are, the center of the scan is always in the center of your ship (more precicely - where the bracket is). Scanning with probes is a different thing than scanning with a d-scan. Each probe is a specialized scanner and your ship has it's own thingy that can also scan, but only around your ship, at maximum range of 14.9 (14.7?) AU.

OK, just got a bit confused with the camera part, since I've been sneaked upon by a ship last night while I didn't see it nor any probe in DScan.

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Xerces Ynx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-27 15:27:23 UTC
If he managed to sneak at you unnoticed, that can mean one or more of the following:
- You were not using directional scanner, only the non-combat probes. D-scan is not used with probes. It has it's own tab in a scanner window and you have to update it manually.
- Your directional scanner was set to angle lower than 360 and the camera was facing the opposite direction than the one an attacker came from.
- You had your directional scanner set to low range and attacker warped into it after your last d-scan update.
- You were not cautious enough.

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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-01-27 15:39:38 UTC
Xerces Ynx wrote:
If he managed to sneak at you unnoticed, that can mean one or more of the following:
- You were not using directional scanner, only the non-combat probes. D-scan is not used with probes. It has it's own tab in a scanner window and you have to update it manually.
- Your directional scanner was set to angle lower than 360 and the camera was facing the opposite direction than the one an attacker came from.
- You had your directional scanner set to low range and attacker warped into it after your last d-scan update.
- You were not cautious enough.

Answer E: it was a cov-op frigate (that's for sure, I looked it up while calling back my probes) and he was quick enough to probe me down between two DScan refresh.

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Liam Mirren
#14 - 2012-01-27 15:51:57 UTC
A probing cycle takes some 8 seconds so if you want to prevent being caught you really have to rescan very often. Doing it once or twice a minute won't suffice.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Xerces Ynx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-01-27 16:18:47 UTC
The exact amount of time the probe needs for scan depends on "Skillz n' Toyz". You can lower it to some really short burst,

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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-01-27 18:58:35 UTC
Xi 'xar wrote:
Although it might not be the best explanation ever, there are a couple hints on how to use the D-scanner on my blog here: http://reduplication.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/m-e-as-guide-to-life-in-lowsec-part-3-finding-and-avoiding-fights-the-dscanner/

Best explanation I've Dscanning I've seen so far. Some of the Youtube tutorials are good just because of the visual aid demonstration part. But this one explains the why and how of it better, and in additional explains the "situational" uses for dscanning. Well done and thanks, mate.
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#17 - 2012-01-27 23:35:15 UTC
Thanks for the positive responses!

There are a huge number of ways in which you can be sneaked up upon. However, it really comes down to where you are in space that makes the difference as to how someone can locate and get to you. The trick to making sure that people dont sneak up on you is to be aware of where you are, how people can find you and then be constantly aware of your surroundings.

Let me try break it down:

If you are at a celestial object (Sun, Planet, Moon, Asteroid Belt, Station or Gate) I can find you by using the directional scanner to narrow down and pinpoint your location. This manner of finding you applies to all objects that I can warp to and see on my overview.

If you are at a site that can be found by just using the onboard scanner (the same button you press when you are scanning with probes, just without any probes out), I can find you by finding the site itself in the same manner OR by using combat probes to scan down your ship.

If you are at a probe required site (for example, a radar site which I can only find by scanning down the signature for the radar site) then I can find you by either scanning down the site using normal probes or by scanning down your ship using combat probes.

If you are at a mission site I can only find you by using combat probes to scan down your ship.

One of the best things you can do in order to survive in lowsec or other so called dangerous space is to ensure that your overview is set up correctly to show both combat and non-combat probes and then basically spam d-scan pretty much constantly. When I operated in wormhole space I used to hit dscan about every 3-4 seconds. I'm slightly more relaxed now and usually hit dscan about every 5-8 seconds.

If you are in non high security space and are not looking for a fight, the moment you see probes on scan that could potentially result in you being found you should either move your ship between safespots or at the very least - put your "high alert" hat on. There are a good number of scanning tricks that can result in you being found extremely quickly without you realising that there might be probes in space.

Once again, thanks for the positive responses guys.

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