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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#521 - 2012-01-25 02:28:29 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels).


PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year.

I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers".

Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion.

Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009.
Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January)

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions

I do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target.


Both you and Jas are partly wrong.

The introduction of PI removed the NPC Seeding of POS Fuels (a large Isk Sink). Inflationwise, an Isk faucet and removing an Isk sink are equivalent.

That said, it cost ~150m a month per POS, half of that was PI stuff, so ~75m per large POS, and ~20000 POSes (IIRC from some CCP post), so it was a 3T Isk monthly sink. Incursions are bigger than that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
gfldex
#522 - 2012-01-25 02:31:30 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Thanks for the post. It was good to hear a friendly voice on the forums, but I really have got to get back to the incursion-griefing channel. We're plotting our next big move!! ^0^



I heared goonies are asking for tornado pilots. Is this related?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2012-01-25 02:33:23 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Thanks for the post. It was good to hear a friendly voice on the forums, but I really have got to get back to the incursion-griefing channel. We're plotting our next big move!! ^0^



I heared goonies are asking for tornado pilots. Is this related?


I wouldn't know. We're not really goon wannabes...

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#524 - 2012-01-25 07:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Oh noez!

Apparently I got banned from TDF for...well, something-or-other re: griefing Incursion-runners.

I like how I can apparently grief someone in an Incursion without ever once having had anything to do with Incursions, ever (aside from killing a few Incursion belt-rats on an alt once or twice...), or the people that farm them 23.5/7.

I hope CCP doesn't declare this automatic passive tear-generation an exploit too soon, anyway. Gotta feed my own risk/effort-aversion, after all!

Oh, right, found it again: Banned for "griefer thread targeting incursion runners."

Oh well, I'll adapt: Shield-tanking >>>> armour-tanking, anyway.

E: Why are half the people in that blacklist showing no reason for their banning, btw? That shows real principle and honour, eh, carebears?

Ni.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#525 - 2012-01-25 08:18:11 UTC
make all on vanguard sites pay more
make all sites take a bit longer
more sites per constellation
3 day minimum for incursions
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#526 - 2012-01-25 08:22:30 UTC
Sarina Rhoda wrote:
Elistea wrote:
Incursions were big part of my EVE's social life. Got to know great group of ppl i ran them with. Now i lost that.
As i mentioned B4 i used incursions to fuel my PVP.
Since this income is gone i had to make tough decision - deactivate 2 of my 3 accounts. (CCP will love thatCool)
Ill give it couple more days/weeks and if nothing changes im back to Starcraft 2.

If CCP doesn't care - I don't careWhat?




You pretty much sum up here everything that is wrong with the general mentality of the highsec carebear population. This is the same tears and whining that has lead to so many bad/unnecessary nerfs and buffs throughout the history of eve. Its like a plague/virus this self created feeling of entitlement that seems to make you think that everything should be geared for your play style and made as easy for you as possible.

So far there is only pure speculation of a nerf and you are already threatening to quit. The income from incursions hasn't gone anywhere nor is it going to. It may be reduced but that is it, just reduced. Rather than adapt your income source or wait to see what is going to be suggested as a balance you head straight to the forums to whine and threaten to cut accounts.

Your so engrossed in how you play the game and how it should cater for you that you can't take the time to look at the overall picture and actually assess what is right for the good off the game. I've had many of my income streams dry up or change throughout my time playing eve, but each time I just adapt and find a new way to play.


(if its the incursions being cut short by brick squad that you are whining about the same argument about getting over it and adapting still applys)


Wow such a rage over simple announcement.
My post wasn't ment as QQ - i dont feel any sadness nor am i pissed. Just dissapointed how easily can be large scale game feature exploited. Quitting part is just natural outcome till problem is fixed. I am not fixated to EVE only like (obviously) some of us.


I also like social aspect of incursions and i don't dont see why i should change my EVE routine because bunch of bankrupt pubies cant have their way. So ill just w8, have a lil break and get back when issue is fixed.

You kinda neglected to notice that i dont do incursions on regular bases and i do them only to fund my PVP.
Also in my prev post i've admited rewads for sites should be adjusted.

If this makes me carebear - guilty is charged

This alone makes your whole post senseless and pitiful.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#527 - 2012-01-25 08:57:10 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
make all on vanguard sites pay more
make all sites take a bit longer
more sites per constellation
3 day minimum for incursions


... You want to give Incursions (esp VGs) a Buff?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#528 - 2012-01-25 09:03:36 UTC
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I thought we were just running incursions as CCP intended. I didn't realize we were doing it wrong Sad



Abusing a broken system gj


How exactly is it abusing a broken system? If you think about it, intentionally leaving the mothership intact so that people can farm isk has more grounds on being labeled abusive than the opposite.

Personally I don't really care that incursions are being taken down by people. Sure I do them occasionally for few hours to get isk, but after I get enough to plex the account, buy the ship I want or even just have enough to be able to afford to replace the ship I already own but want to be able to replace it as well I simply stop. Why? Because incursions aren't even fun. If it's the social aspect that interest in them, you can just as easily probe down a wormhole and run the sites there with buddies. As an added benefit you have the possibility of some pvp as well. To me that's a win win situation no matter how I look at it. Incursions are just (un)neccessary evil.
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#529 - 2012-01-25 11:28:41 UTC
Elistea wrote:
i don't dont see why i should change my EVE routine because bunch of bankrupt pubies cant have their way


In shocking news today, an incursion farmer thinks everything is about money.

More at 2100.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#530 - 2012-01-25 20:44:53 UTC
ATT'N: All carebears in this thread, and in general.

There is more to EVE than grinding ISK, especially when you're only doing it...so you can make even more ISK more quickly.

That is all.

Ni.
Lexmana
#531 - 2012-01-25 22:07:47 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
ATT'N: All carebears in this thread, and in general.

There is more to EVE than grinding ISK, especially when you're only doing it...so you can make even more ISK more quickly.

That is all.

Didn't you hear, the one with the biggest pile of ISK at the time of biomass wins ... something.
gfldex
#532 - 2012-01-26 04:19:39 UTC
The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.

The glory is with the griefers as it should be.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#533 - 2012-01-26 04:23:59 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf,

lmfao
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#534 - 2012-01-26 04:26:22 UTC
gfldex wrote:
The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.

The glory is with the griefers as it should be.


Yes...Yes! Twisted

Imagine that:

"Griefers" doing PvE content as it's supposed to be done.

Savour the irony, ISK-farmers, saaaaaaavour the irony.

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#535 - 2012-01-26 04:30:02 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
make all on vanguard sites pay more
make all sites take a bit longer
more sites per constellation
3 day minimum for incursions


... You want to give Incursions (esp VGs) a Buff?


From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing.

If you consider that a nerf, then well...Ugh

Ni.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#536 - 2012-01-26 04:31:47 UTC
gfldex wrote:
The next incursion was taken down early tonight. After successfully blueballing the enemy by Darius III in his leroy logistic, we went in and took the mom down by the smallest fleet ever to attempt so. Despite an army of suicide blackbirds that where not effective because of the constant whining about suicide ganks and the resulting CONCORD spawn timer nerf, we took only 3 losses in a fight of fame and glory against the Sansha-Invaders that raged on for more then halve an hour. Nobody ever finished the mom site with less then 30 players because the only thing highsec carebears are interested in is ISK.

The glory is with the griefers as it should be.

You made my night.
gfldex
#537 - 2012-01-26 04:35:24 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:

From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing.

If you consider that a nerf, then well...Ugh


And if you do the hard ones on asian difficulty you get nothing. And you don't want to do that anyway. Because the more player you have in your fleet the faster you get it done and the easier it gets to compensate losses. There is no reason for you to take any risk because you would get less reward if you would do so. This is EVE turned upside down.

But I'm quite happy because I podded one of the blackbird guy. His constant rudeness in written form did not serve him well.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#538 - 2012-01-26 04:58:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
One ship pop a month/month and a half of playtime? That's about the same rate of ship loss per pilot as the alliance I was in (on the goon side) was taking during the the BoB/Kenny war. If we get lucky TiDi might up that number substantially, but the average line pilot in 0.0 is not loosing a bunch of ships (dictor and bad inty pilots are another story).

I lose anything between 2-10 maelstroms every month, depending on how many fights we have, and how competent the enemy is. That's not a risk, that's a certainty.


According to battleclinic you haven't had a kill since 2010. I'm just going to hazard a guess that you're an alt of somebody high enough up in Goonswarm to pull a little bit of extra aggro. One loss a month doesn't hold true if you're FCing.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#539 - 2012-01-26 05:03:17 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
You know PI also came out at about the same time as incursions. Hum which do I think is causing inflation, a couple people running incursions or the removal of a massive isk sink (NPC POS fuels).


PI does not generate ISK nor does it do so in highsec. I have 15 planets myself and they are good ISK - in lowsec. That's where highsec incursion runners wont go. The money that I earn with my 15 planets has to come from somewhere. Moon goo can't be it because it's moon goo and not ISK. Sanctums are less ISK then Incursions and there are a lot fewer of them then there used to be. Missions provide a nice ISK sink with the LP shop and they where not changed in the last year.

I'm terribly sorry but the only place where that ISK can come from are Incursions. It would be nice when CCP would step up and provide some hard numbers but for some strange reason I doubt they will do that any time soon, because it would put them between a rock and a hard place. The rock are the stressed out Incursion runners and the hard place are the "griefers".

Ohh, and PI did not came at the same time then Incursions. It came with Dominion.

Dominion Release date: December 1st, 2009.
Incursion 18 January 2011: New character creator, and Sansha's Nation incursion content (incursions actually start on 25 January)

source: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions

I do not claim to be an expert in math but you seam to be more then a year off target.


It also came with little 500m3 rocket ships that you had to go fetch the container for after launch. Purchase of NPC POS fuels use to to be an ISK sink. It no longer is. Considering the money I'm making from PI, it is a very large ISK sink that is no longer there.

Oh, and you're doing it wrong.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#540 - 2012-01-26 05:47:37 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:

From what I can see, they don't need nerfing or buffing per se, it's the loophole in the mechanic/s that allows the easier ones to be farmed 23.5/7 that needs closing.

If you consider that a nerf, then well...Ugh


And if you do the hard ones on asian difficulty you get nothing. And you don't want to do that anyway. Because the more player you have in your fleet the faster you get it done and the easier it gets to compensate losses. There is no reason for you to take any risk because you would get less reward if you would do so. This is EVE turned upside down.

But I'm quite happy because I podded one of the blackbird guy. His constant rudeness in written form did not serve him well.


Sigh, I wonder if mixing the blackbirds with some ships loaded with T1 neuts would work better. Something like this:

[Moa, Suicide]

Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I
Medium Energy Neutralizer I

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Battery I
Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier I

Reactor Control Unit I
Reactor Control Unit I
Reactor Control Unit I
Reactor Control Unit I

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]


Hornet EC-300 x3

Logistics might have an ungodly sensor strength but getting your capacitor killed is never fun. Not sure if it's worth swapping a weber for a painter. A logistics main defense is a damn small sig radius. Maybe two ships with webs to each one with a painter. Slow it down, increase its sig radius and hope that's enough for the NPCs to pop it. Also Cap battery can be replaced with a large T1 shield extender, but I'm not sure how much good that is going to do you.