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Ummm, the Hawk's "bonus" is -5% to rate of fire per level?
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Sebastion Heorod Hellion Support Services Likes received: 9	#1 - 2012-01-25 07:10:28 UTC 1 Ummm, the Hawk's "bonus" is -5% to rate of fire per level? i'm thinking either worst bonus ever or mis-print

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Rel'k Bloodlor Federation Front Line Report Federation Front Line Likes received: 208	#2 - 2012-01-25 07:24:51 UTC So you want time between missiles to go up? Or are you just slow....... It's the best bonus you can get to a weapon. I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats.


Sebastion Heorod Hellion Support Services Likes received: 9	#3 - 2012-01-25 07:33:34 UTC -5% rof means a slower rate of fire math genius, -5% to reload time would be faster

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ACE McFACE Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,863	#4 - 2012-01-25 07:39:43 UTC 1 Sebastion Heorod wrote: -5% rof means a slower rate of fire math genius, -5% to reload time would be faster No, it means -5% cycle time of your module... Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

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Teh Frog Exotic Connections Likes received: 69	#5 - 2012-01-25 07:41:08 UTC ACE McFACE wrote: Sebastion Heorod wrote: -5% rof means a slower rate of fire math genius, -5% to reload time would be faster No, it means -5% cycle time of your module...


Sebastion Heorod Hellion Support Services Likes received: 9	#6 - 2012-01-25 07:45:50 UTC I know what the bonus is, but that is not what it says, what it says is the exact opposite. what it says is "-5% Bonus to missle launcher rate of fire per level"

Grimpak

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#7 - 2012-01-25 07:46:06 UTC | Edited by: Grimpak

Sebastion Heorod wrote:

I know what the bonus is, but that is not what it says, what it says is the exact opposite.
what it says is "-5% Bonus to missle launcher rate of fire per level"

ACE McFACE wrote:

No, it means -5% cycle time of your module...

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Sebastion Heorod Hellion Support Services Likes received: 9	#8 - 2012-01-25 07:48:03 UTC Sebastion Heorod wrote: I know what the bonus is, but that is not what it says, what it says is the exact opposite. what it says is "-5% Bonus to missle launcher rate of fire per level"


ACE McFACE Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,863	#9 - 2012-01-25 07:49:15 UTC 3 I already told you! CYCLE TIME LESS GOOD DPS UP Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.


Sebastion Heorod Hellion Support Services Likes received: 9	#10 - 2012-01-25 07:57:10 UTC in all other cases in the game where an item has a positive effect on rof the percent bonus is given as a positve number (implants for example) they do not say cycle time in the item description they say rate of fire

ACE McFACE

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#11 - 2012-01-25 08:20:47 UTC | Edited by: ACE McFACE

Sebastion Heorod wrote:

in all other cases in the game where an item has a positive effect on rof the percent bonus is given as a positve number (implants for example) they do not say cycle time in the item description they say rate of fire

1. It does seem that many items (I checked the Raven and other things) have a positive number, but if you ask me -5% makes more sense because 5% would be making the rate of fire longer.
2. Cycle time is rate of fire

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

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Dyaven Likes received: 55	#12 - 2012-01-25 08:30:04 UTC Let's say your missile launcher has 10 second cycle time. +5% to that would make it a 10.5 second cycle time. -5% to that would make it a 9.5 second cycle time. Which would you prefer?

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Wideen Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 0	#13 - 2012-01-25 08:37:11 UTC The ROF bonus is a great one, it raised the dps considerably on the Hawk which was desperately needed imo. And with a fifth mid it actually became interesting to fly again! mine is already tried and tested.. :)

Sebastion Heorod

Hellion Support Services

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#14 - 2012-01-25 08:40:06 UTC | Edited by: Sebastion Heorod

my point really has nothing to do with the math, in this release they have changed the name of modules and charges to simplify and provide a naming convention and at the same time they have given a bonus using wording that is completely opposite to a convention that they have already established. I know that math wise the 5% is the legitimate presentation,also all other implants, skills, modules, rigs, and subsystems in this game that give the same bonus are presented with a positive percentage. and also
+5% to that would make it a 10.5 second cycle time.
-5% to that would make it a 9.5 second cycle time

Mister Crispy

AC Enterprises

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#15 - 2012-01-25 08:57:50 UTC | Edited by: Mister Crispy

Seconding.

Raven and Hurricane have "5%" RoF. Hawk has "-5%" RoF.

EDIT:

ACE McFACE wrote:

Sebastion Heorod wrote:

Increasing the "rate" of something means you're increasing the number of times it happens per second. So +5% to the "rate of fire" would be more damage. For exampe, if you increase the rate at which a car travels a yard, that means it's now going faster.


Sebastion Heorod Hellion Support Services Likes received: 9	#16 - 2012-01-25 09:08:17 UTC \| Edited by: Sebastion Heorod Yes, I knew I was thinking of it correctly an increase in the rate of fire is equal to a decrease in cycle time or a rate of 1 missle every minute is a cycle time of 1 minute, a rate of 2 missles every minute is a 30 second cycle time so rof and cycle although the same are opposite a higher rate is a lower cycle

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Soldarius Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 1,622	#17 - 2012-01-25 09:29:47 UTC 4/10 on the trollometer for a decent response. Was too easy too spot imo, though. Personally, if I look at my rocket hawk before and after, and the launchers are firing faster than before, I'm happy panda. They can write the bonus however they want as long as it works as intended. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Tore Smith

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#18 - 2012-01-25 09:30:25 UTC

Sebastion Heorod wrote:

dude you are right. last evening when i played around with the new afs i didnt like that as well.

ofc it makes sense, but it contradicts the established bonus descriptions of other missle ships. either have it unified or keep the old description. for young players this is confusing.

Vile Coyote

Deep Space Legacy

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#19 - 2012-01-25 09:42:52 UTC

Tore Smith wrote:

either have it unified or keep the old description. for young players this is confusing.

Seconded, it's about time the whole thing ( rate of / cycle time / + x % / - y %) gets clarified once and for all.

For ship bonii it is more a confort because no one expects getting lower damage output by training for the ship.
But take a look at this :
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormhole_environment_effects#Cataclysmic_Variable

What does it do to your capacitor ? The chart says +25% cap and +25% recharge for a class 1 WH. Most players I know first thought it buffed both capacity and recharge rate.
Actually the recharge rate is nerfed to compensate the capacity buff. Even staticmapper displays it as a bonus : http://staticmapper.com/index.php?system=J115015

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river Zateki Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 21	#20 - 2012-01-25 13:09:53 UTC Sebastion Heorod wrote: -5% rof means a slower rate of fire math genius, -5% to reload time would be faster Derp