EVE General Discussion

Right, because neutrals or reds never set up bubble camps in entrance systems; or find copies of our Jump bridge maps and exploit possible choke points, or get mad because we steamrolled their region, blew up 37 of their carriers and roam through the area seeing what they can kill...

For me, these are the aspects that make Null fun, for most its :OMGSTAYINGINEMPIREFOREVA:. I like the added thrill of trying to get **** out of Null.. or by flying from whatever trade hub we currently don't have wardecs in back through lowsec and into entry Null.

Risk = Fun.

I chose highsec despite being a primarily PvP player in MMOs and having chosen EVE for being a PvP game.

Truth is, and I know most of the 0.0 players are going to eat this statement up- it really was too hardcore for me. >_> PvP in this game is a little more difficult to keep up with if you don't have a fat wallet, and I don't play enough or know the industrial sector well enough to have such. Every day I'd log on, I'd look for PvP. Sometimes I'd find it, sometimes I wouldn't. But whenever I'd lose a ship, it would set me back bigtime. Since I didn't have more than a couple hours a day to rat, it took a long time to rebuild my finances. The loss of a ratting ship would take me a week's playtime to get back at the rate I could play, and I was reduced to PvPing in cheapfleet style ships to keep afloat.

EVE is fine the way it is, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't ask them to change any of it. But the most hardcore PvP game I ever played was Shadowbane, and the worst penalty you got for dying was the loss of your inventory (not equipped items) and damage to your equipped items (and if you didn't repair them, they would break after a few deaths. if you did- they would last a long time). Losing EVERYTHING eventually demotivated me out of 0.0.

In highsec, however, it's another matter. I can now farm up the money I need and keep my missioning ship safe. All I have to do now is fund my pvp ships, so I have more money to put into them. I make decent money missioning, and a couple hours farming can fit me a really nice cane fit, so high/lowsec is where I'll be.

And then, of course, there were the bubbles and blobs... lol

Hmmm

So goons got organised enough to take 60 tech moons

if they did it through botting or other naughty ways then that is not good

but

if they did it (mainly) through offering an alternative alliance culture to attract the player assets to do it and to hold it then fair enough - if you think they abuse their player base....so what?! - this is eve - lots of nasties in it - its why i play it because i am faced with nasties i have to try to outwit -

Your argument against goons seems to be "its not fair - they have managed to convince all these players to work really hard for them with little reward...such abusers....etc etc"......

honestly WTF?!

this is EvE and that is exactly the hard end of what EvE is about - take other players for as much as you can. At the small ended end you scam and steal - at the higher end you offer your trust as you see a more profitable longer term goal in developing trust with certain players and complex investment plans

I look at goons as red btw - I see there assets as targets - high end targets ofc of the game

other than that - all the griefing and market manipulation they do - that's part of EvE - if its not against eula of course

IMO PvE ratting is such a non-EvE thing to do - I know it won't change but PvP whether ship fighting, corp asset stealing or market manipulation is what EvE is about

If you ask, no.

90% of aspergers "sufferers" are just socially akward penguins making excuses.

Gotta love being told your socially ackward playing a game of pixels with make believe friends.

You know those guys who pretend to like you? They don't. Sorry. True story bro.

... need to add

I fly in high-sec on patch days... no point in getting ganked when the logs might show nothing.

EDIT: Every time I try to make the chart a link, it gives me an error parsing code on my post. 0_o wtf?

I think 0.0 would become a little more popular if it were reduced in size.

How many total systems are there in this game? I was told once, long ago, that highsec accounted for 1/3 of the total systems in the game. If that is true, according to the recent pie chart here: https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png , it would mean that 66% of players over 5m SP live in 1/3 of the game. >_> Wouldn't that make 0.0 seem... barren?

If there were more contained areas where fighting was guaranteed to happen, or maybe even less overall area in 0.0, I'm pretty sure 0.0 players would QQ less about people playing how they want to in highsec. >_> Generally, people QQ for a reason and having come from 0.0, I can see their point. You can fly a good, long while without seeing another soul.

Of course, any other suggestions that wouldn't involve slaughtering the size of the game or changing core aspects of its gameplay I'm sure would be much more appreciated than my sad attempt =D

You do understand player versus player does NOT exclusively mean combat right?

And you should go on the market forums and tell them they are not engaged in a player versus player activity. The markets are in some ways more cutthroat than actual combat.

The presence of ganking and Hulkageddon is an attempt to bring the PVP focus of EVE into the realm of mining. Otherwise, miners only partake in PVP activities when they attempt to sell minerals on the market.

Under the banner of market PVP.. yes.

Getting the ABC's in the Grav belt before others log on = pvp

Mining out the belts close to teh market hubs before other miners is PvP etc etc

and that is just basic

harrassing miners by can flipping in hisec - and camping in low /null sec takes it to the next level

there are many ways to increase pressure on miners = PvP - and then the selling of mineral - market PvP

EvE is about PvP - the presence of a Free Market with 'all items' makes sure of this