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I view it as a culling of the weak... or just the weak willed.

The tutorial is always being worked on to provide a more guiding hand for new players but tbh it introduces you to the tools you need to find your way. It doesn't tell you which way but it will give you the tools find your own.

Unlike all other MMOs there is no "best" training path or "best" ship fit which is something new players often fail to realize. Everything is situational and freeform and a lot of casual gamers used to Blizzard hand-holding (for example) will not find a home in EVE, but that's almost a good thing. The players that are here today started EVE with a much worse tutorial and yet years later you still find us plugging away. What that indicates is that this game is not for everyone because everyone's definition of what a game should be is different. Let EVE be different, if anything it cultivates a culture of people with a given intelligence and fortitude to have fun in an arena where the walls are defined and in some senses certain kinds of behavior is expected.

I'm not sure why this thread is here...this has nothing to do with mechanics/balance/or even proposing a change so to speak.

So you got a bunch of noobs that didn't stick around because EVE was hard/sucky/no fun.

Ok...so what?

EVE Online is not for everyone...tough...there are plenty of "fish in the sea"

I'm sure WOW will do them just fine.

The one thing I really wish the tutorial had told me at the end is, "OK you know how to warp, dock, use the market, and all that. Your next and only important goal is to find, and make friends with, another group of players who know how this game works"

what exactly do you base this idea on?
certainly not precedent

You do realize prior to WiS we broke 50k every day, right?

I remember thinking that 53k was unusually low at one point prior to the anom nerf.

I started EVE in 2006, when the tutorial was hey, Im Aura. Warp is this button, dock is this buttom, turn your ship with a double click.. Be on your way Captain. I was pulled into two broken corps, who like me, had no idea how to play EvE. After a few weeks, my will was gone to play this game, and then I met my EVE mentor. Then it opened this game up. When I reached 2 years, I started sitting in the help channel, and convoed new players that had questions. To give them indepth answers and help in the game. Didnt pressure them to join a corp, or give me isk, or try to use mechanics to pop them. Im a firm believer in every player that I can help stay in eve, is better for all of us. 3 and 1/2 years later, out of the few hundred I helped, I still talk to 70% of them. This is a social game as much as a space strategy game. I believe that as long term veterans, we should take off our role hats in the game, miner, trader, pirate, ceo of a large corporation once in a while, and just be a good ambassador for EvE and help out those who need help. Once a month I sit in the newbie systems, and offer in local help. Most think im trying to chase them down, but some ask, and I help. There is nothing more then giving links to isktheguide, evemaps, and evehq/evemon to help them understand what tools some of us have used for years. The immersion and understanding that eve has a dedicated following, and that no matter what I will help them and guide them, keeps alot of my students around. So my suggestion to all of us with a few years in, is take a few new players under your wings, and help grow the next generation of EvE CEOs/Pirates/Traders or 0.0 czars.

Because I can.

What you FiS hubbies call doubhebaggery, I call foresight. Your smart enough to see intelligence in a post, but the moment that intelligence runs away from your framework of reference, you lose the plot.

FiS content alone never allowed Eve to see the far side of 60k, or even hit 60k for that matter, long enough to actually mean something. That is largely due to her PvP orientated and griefer heavy/favored nature. New players don't care for your killmails, gankfits, gangs, for your sovereignty, for your super caps or techmoons. They hate blobs and for the most part, only care to play long enough to have the novelty of interweb spaceboats wear off over months of mindless mission running, skill grinding and exploration, free from the burden of having to re-grind their isk in the face of losing it to FiS lovers who enjoy a good gank.

Sure Eve hit 50k, but we hovered in that range for a few months at best. I even recall the CCP news proclamation announcing that record not too long ago. And even with the precedent FiS focus, only more recently prior to Incarna, had Eve broken that barrier due largely to massive influx of alt accounts. I enjoy calling it the PI effect. In a world where 1 PI account = 1 billion isk + at current market prices (for being offline no less), that's playing for free and making profit with more accounts than most people's evemons can shake a stick at. Only fools grind for isk. I expect to be paid not to log in.

That increases the demand for PLEX, the after effects we are suffering under now. And denounce it all you like, thats allot of alt power to steamroll vote extremely controversial and unforgiving lobbyist dictators with their own serlf serving agendas into the CSM. What do I base this accusation on you'd ask? My own game style. I am pointing it out to you lesser beings because I am one of those PI spamming overlords with more accounts than he can care to look after. And I know many like me who have risen with the advent of Tyrannis.

That Eve future vision video, wet the lips of the majority of the player base. Ambulations has long been sought after and will, in the not so distant future, rise again to be on the tip of everybody's tongue. And once Incarna 2.0 comes around and is properly implemented, more overlords will rise and give way to much deserted 0.0 wastelands. Once joyous griefers who enjoyed trolling poor noobs on the forums over losing their hulks or orcas, will start crying because nobody undocks anymore. Their going to be too busy spinning space barbie to bother spinning a ship. The new techmoons will become planets with cities and, the new towers that churn out commodities and services for the 0.0 populations will manifest as establishment owners either on stations or on the planets below.

Eve has much more potential than a point and click spaceboat sim. Incarna will bring that to fruition. And once it does, this player base will retain all the sad FiS vets while attracting the new breed of sci-fi MMO gamers keen on making it in a much, much more complex New Eden than pure FiS could ever manage by itself. newbies wont quit because they lost a spaceboat, they'l quit because they got gang raped in some alley in a station. Some hobo griefer will break into the CQ and steal all the stuff they would have to give on their way back to WoW. If FiS was all that, Eve would not only have 350k accounts, but would have 350k active accounts. We would have crippled this massive server long ago. Its been a decade since Eve's release. How many times was the maximum server player limit increased from the starting 200k limit I read in a PC Zone magazine article all those years ago.

Nah. The future of Eve is not pure PvP, nor is it pure FiS. It will start with Walking on Stations, then expand with Dust. After Dust, PI 2.0 will rock our worlds before Incarna 2.0 frees us from the prison cells we call pods. And those of you who do not care for WiS, have no fear. You'll have more space all to yourself.

Nah broskies, heretics and fellow unbelievers. Denouncing Incarna and the CQ as anti-Eve is akin to denouncing ship spinning in itself. The CQ is here to stay, and I say I want moar! Open my fhucking door!

The New Player Experience is crap. Several friends and I spent *months* muddling about and figuring things out. We had to learn the game via third-party websites. Eve's ****-poor documentation is what drives away a lot of people.

I have no problem with a steep learning curve. Eve *is* a hard game to master. I'm only beginning, after 18 months of playing, to feel like I have a good understanding of all the game's mechanics. I'm not saying the game should be easier or newbies should have their hands held...I'm just saying that CCP needs to make information available to new players so they don't commit idiotic mistakes out of ignorance.

The game should be teaching people the basics of aggression mechanics, for example. Or the nature of the gamespace (grids and how they work). There needs to be some semblance of coaching for fittings. The expectation that everyone stumble upon various information sources via Google is just absurd.

Couple points.



Thread is here, b/c I didn't feel there was another good spot for it really. If the mods feel it is better suited for some other place I would love for them to move it. I don't spend a ton of time on the EVE forums, so don't know the in's and out's.

This thread was created ONLY because I wanted to actually provide some feedback from RL people I have gamed with a lot on why they quit. After reading the lastest CSM minutes it hit me how much trouble the "normal" people might have with this. I wanted t leave the feedback where the CSM's or someone could maybe start compiling reason, finding the most said, and working with them.

I don't mean the casual. I don't mean the WoW OMG easy mode players. I mean people who play a lot of games, people I consider overall decently intelligent, and good gamers. Folks like myself who research, and read and look things up WILL slowly stumble through the game. The question is though, (and I used to not agree with this), why should they be forced to go outside the game to accomplish and learn stuff.

I love EVE. It is a social game. When people ask me about how I play EVE, I am quick to correct them saying.. "I play EVE the universe, not EVE the game. B/c EVE the game sucks." And I think this is very much true. If you/they try to play EVE as a single player game they will obviously fail.

Do I want EVE to be easy? No.
Do I like the learning curve? Yep.
Do I love the fact CCP refers to "new players" as ones with under 6 months played? Absolutely.

EVE is not like Dungeon Defenders, or WoW, or any of those other games where you MAX out in level in a week or two, then spend the rest of the time grinding. I enjoy the fact I don't have to "worry" about leveling. I've done enough that having playing MMO's since '98.

BUT, with all that said. I'd love to see another 20-30k players on every night. More players = more pew pew. And I like Pew Pew.

but concretely what should be changed based on complaints newbs made.