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Opinions on the Assault Ship changes?
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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-24 12:03:51 UTC
I’m curious what you guys think about the Assault Ship added bonus to reduced signature radius from MWD’s... Do you think this is needed?

Previously i used an ishkur with and AB and an active armour tank, so if i was to use a MWD, the effectiveness of such a fit would be significantly decreased. What i really would have liked is either a 25% boots to velocity or 50% boost to AB speed.

How does everyone else feel about the this new bonus?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-24 12:14:24 UTC
Alright, it was on the third page but your question has already been posted:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=49884&find=unread

Now we wait for the fallout now they're out in the wild.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-24 12:17:56 UTC
okay thanks man, i'll check that thread out.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#4 - 2012-01-24 16:09:49 UTC
AF vs. AF they are more close to eachother then they used to be. It is no longer a case where 2 or 4 rule them all. The wolf will smack around a retribution. A ret will smack around a hawk. The hawk will now kill a wolf in scramble range easily. It's more paper, rock, scissors inside the class.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#5 - 2012-01-24 16:55:52 UTC
I would have much preferred they got the AB bonus that was being considered. Would have been nice to see some more AB-based combat, but at this point I'm just glad that the class was buffed. For the most part the additional slots and bonuses seem quite fair, the Ishkur got pretty shafted though.
SpaceSquirrels
#6 - 2012-01-24 17:14:44 UTC
Whats the difference between a wolf and a jag now? armor v. shield?
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#7 - 2012-01-24 17:25:31 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Whats the difference between a wolf and a jag now? armor v. shield?


The same difference they have always been...
Khrage
#8 - 2012-01-24 17:40:17 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
AF vs. AF they are more close to eachother then they used to be. It is no longer a case where 2 or 4 rule them all. The wolf will smack around a retribution. A ret will smack around a hawk. The hawk will now kill a wolf in scramble range easily. It's more paper, rock, scissors inside the class.


with the vengeance being dynamite? but really all the AFs look really nice after this.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#9 - 2012-01-24 18:41:37 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Whats the difference between a wolf and a jag now? armor v. shield?


Kiting Jags are feasible now. One fit will get 15km optimal and 18km falloff with a 1k alpha and the tracking to support it. Or you can go out to a 30km optimal with 100 DPS and a 660ish alpha. Not massive but the brawler AF don't like it.
Stridsflygplan
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#10 - 2012-01-24 19:00:11 UTC
I want an afterburner bonus instead. My AF looks like an interceptor wanna be right now Evil
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2012-01-24 22:18:38 UTC
Neither gallente AF got an HP buff, and the ishkur didn't even get a cpu buff. Meanwhile the winmatar AFs keep their superior speed and double damage bonuses, but with an additional 200 hp to boot. Sad

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-01-24 22:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
Previously i used an ishkur with and AB and an active armour tank, so if i was to use a MWD, the effectiveness of such a fit would be significantly decreased. What i really would have liked is either a 25% boots to velocity or 50% boost to AB speed.


AB fits do not need a boost.

The MWD bonus exists to allow AFs to exist around 15-20km without dying horribly to anything that loads barrage or scorch...which is to say, it allows AFs to fulfill the role of heavy tackle or for kiting fits like the rail harpy to not be bad.

all the extra slots and tank won't help you when you're a frigate and can be tracked by a cruiser.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-01-24 23:17:11 UTC
I dunno Kahega - AFs were total crap and nobody could use them because they'd just be webbed, scrammed, neuted, and destroyed by every BC in the game. Seeing as how the boost didn't change that AFs are STILL totally useless and in need of another buff. I'm thinking +2 slots and a bunch of fittings. And maybe a 50% damage bonus. And a pony.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-01-24 23:23:58 UTC
Quote:
I dunno Kahega - AFs were total crap and nobody could use them because they'd just be webbed, scrammed, neuted, and destroyed by every BC in the game. Seeing as how the boost didn't change that AFs are STILL totally useless and in need of another buff. I'm thinking +2 slots and a bunch of fittings. And maybe a 50% damage bonus. And a pony.


That's because BCs are broken and obsolete anything smaller than them anyway. If we're saying AFs are still crap because of BCs then t1 cruisers, frigates, and hell, even t2 cruisers minus recons and vagabonds are crap.

The AF buff was to put them on the same level as, say, cruisers. I think it did that just fine.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-01-24 23:26:06 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
I dunno Kahega - AFs were total crap and nobody could use them because they'd just be webbed, scrammed, neuted, and destroyed by every BC in the game. Seeing as how the boost didn't change that AFs are STILL totally useless and in need of another buff. I'm thinking +2 slots and a bunch of fittings. And maybe a 50% damage bonus. And a pony.


That's because BCs are broken and obsolete anything smaller than them anyway. If we're saying AFs are still crap because of BCs then t1 cruisers, frigates, and hell, even t2 cruisers minus recons and vagabonds are crap.

The AF buff was to put them on the same level as, say, cruisers. I think it did that just fine.


No no no see, cruisers can fit neuts and webs too... and poor AFs are just totally left in the dust because medium guns just decimate them! :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#16 - 2012-01-24 23:30:42 UTC
I can't tell if I'm being trolled or not. I hate everything.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-01-24 23:35:32 UTC
Hmmm.... well I'm just preparing for my "Don't Nerf My AFs" crusade. With any luck I'll be able to keep my lolwtfbbq overpowered ships tied up in the Forum War stage for a year or so. :D

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#18 - 2012-01-24 23:40:36 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I dunno Kahega - AFs were total crap and nobody could use them because they'd just be webbed, scrammed, neuted, and destroyed by every BC in the game. Seeing as how the boost didn't change that AFs are STILL totally useless and in need of another buff. I'm thinking +2 slots and a bunch of fittings. And maybe a 50% damage bonus. And a pony.

-Liang


Silly rabbit - that is the future EAF buff. Twisted
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-01-24 23:42:33 UTC
Ooooooooh.... I see :D

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#20 - 2012-01-24 23:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Templar Dane
Liang Nuren wrote:
I dunno Kahega - AFs were total crap and nobody could use them because they'd just be webbed, scrammed, neuted, and destroyed by every BC in the game. Seeing as how the boost didn't change that AFs are STILL totally useless and in need of another buff. I'm thinking +2 slots and a bunch of fittings. And maybe a 50% damage bonus. And a pony.

-Liang



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Liang Nuren wrote:
Hmmm.... well I'm just preparing for my "Don't Nerf My AFs" crusade. With any luck I'll be able to keep my lolwtfbbq overpowered ships tied up in the Forum War stage for a year or so. :D

-Liang


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