Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Edit: Revised T2 Maelstrom idea..

Tier 3 Marauders

How about a varient of Marauders to give us a little choice, huh? I don't think it would take much work... Just a new skin, change the fitting points and bonuses and done, new ship! XD

Caldari:

T2 Rokh (Kaalakiota) - similar bonuses as the Kronos. Don't screw it over with a range bonus though, give it a tracking bonus...

T2 Abaddon (Khanid) - similar bonuses as the Golem. But more in line with Khanid's normal ship bonuses.

T2 Maelstrom (Thucker Mix) - artillery bonuses. Since the Vargur can't fit them.

T2 Hyperion (CreoDron or Roden Shipyards) - Make it a logical progression from a Dominix. More bonused for drones, enough to give it the same dps as the level of the other ships will get. Drone ships need love and this would probably make a lot of people happy (I wouldn't be one of 'em).

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I know the normal gun ship choice for Caldari's ships would be Ishukone, but I'm not a huge fan of the paintjob, and I bet plenty agree with me here. Plus the Kaalakiota theme on the Rokh would look freakin' sexy.

Also, I'm wondering if maybe the Golem should get it's bonuses looked at, maybe turned into a cruise missile boat while the Khanid Abaddon would get torp bonuses. Seems more fitting I think. Though, I'm sure a lot of Golem pilots would cry over the change... I personally haven't used the Golem BECAUSE it's torp boat.

Also, since we're on the topic of Marauders, I think their bonuses should get a little boost. They should get tractor beam and salvager bonuses similar or equal to those on the Noctis. I think the sensor strength and scan res could use a bit of a boost, too -_-

Notice my last paragraph :P

My thinking exactly. I'm running a Kronos right now, though I do use other ships in other missions in my main hub, and the thing is constantly jammed by Guristas. I was in the last room of Worlds Collide in Caldari space and was almost perma-jammed by two battleships. I could get two shots off before being jammed again, if I was lucky. That's just one example of many.

That's kind of the point Radzu...

I made a thread on this a while back. New marauders is a YES, having them part of tiers is a NO. Tiers result is useless ships. New marauders MUST be as good at their specialized role as existing marauders are at theirs or it'll be battle cruisers all over again.


New marauders would follow existing marauder standards: 4 hardpoints and a 100% damage role bonus/ tractor beam bonus, crappy sensors, same resists, ect.. (I'm not saying that marauders don't need to be looked at as a whole, but that's another topic entirely.)

Khanid Torp Abbadon: (Does NOT fill same niche as Golem, notice the missing range bonus. Less range, more tank.) Would give Amarr pilots something good against angel cartel, unlike now where the solution is to train winmatar.

7.5% armor rep bonus
5% explosion velocity bonus
7.5% target painter bonus
5% cap recharge bonus

Roden Drone Hyperion: Notice the lack of gun damage bonus. It's 4 turrets would be unbonused(other than the 100% hybrid turret bonus. It may need a slightly nerfed powergrid to keep its dps in line with other marauders.) Manufacturing corp is debatable here, Creodrone and Duvuolle Labs already have battleships, so I chose roden.

10% bonus to drone damage/hit points
10% web bonus
7.5% armor rep
7.5% drone MWD speed (or drone control range range?)

Ishikone Hybrid Rokh: would give Caldari gunboat pilots something decent battleship sized to train for, since ALL of their faction battleships (and pirate battleship) are missile boats. It does not fill the same niche as the kronos, notice the range bonus instead of tracking. Would also be slower than golem, since golem is intended for close range.

7.5% shield boost bonus
10% hybrid turret range
5% hybrid turret damage
7.5% target painter (maybe web, could be helpful with blaster fits.)

Core Complexions Arty Maelstrom: Vargur needs serious fitting mods for arty, its really an autocannon ship. This new ship would be much slower and have a larger sig than the vargur. Notice the lack of a tracking bonus and falloff bonus. It makes the vargur a better choice for autocannons.

7.5% shield boost bonus
5% bonus Large projectile turret damage (or rof, whichever is better for arty)
10% large projectile range bonus (doesn't do much for autocannons, but is helpful for arty)
7.5% bonus to target painting (would complement arty well, since its low rof makes killing small ships a pain.)

i completely agree, if you actually even take some time to look at even a normal navy raven fitting you can find that you can tank it better, give it more dps, and the same firing range of a golem.

i always have had the feeling both their tank lacks compared to tier 3 battleships, their dps lacks compared to faction battleships and some t1 battleships, and their pvp capabilities (ewar, mobility) are utterly underwhelming

i propose to alltogheter remove the tractor and salvager bonus and instead add marauders a bit more of PG and CPU and 1 turret slot or missile slot.

this would make them much more viable ships and create a role for them on pvp:

the guy with SICK DPS.

Please, no useless web bonus on a ship designed to engage at 30-100k. Armor rep bonus is also horrible. MWD on a battleship? no thanks.

Perhaps given the direction CCP is going with adding more PvP-like elements into PvE content (incursions, sleepers) there should be another take on Marauders entirely.

I just realized I posted this in the wrong forum XD

Marauders are and should stay primarily PvE ships. And these ships are meant to be solo boats. That's kinda the point of them. Also, these ships don't suffer due to lack of skills (as I'm near maximum for the three gun boats), it's the ships themselves. I'm no noob. I've flown these ships quite a bit, along with plenty of other ships. I've also dabbled in almost everything eve's got to offer. There's no lack of experience here. It's the ships. They need longer reaching tractors and faster cycling salvagers. Maybe even faster than the Noctis, since you can really only fit 1 or 2 salvagers on them vs 3 or 4 on the Noctis. As skill intensive as Marauders are, they're pathetic compared to other ships. Pirate faction ships out do them in almost every way.

Yes, because we all know some extra choices in ships is a bad thing... This isn't a tier 2 marauder. It does obsolete the other marauders. A gun boat marauder for Caldari is needed. So is a the ones I suggested for the other races. Your T3 bs idea is the one that's a horrible idea. It's the same reason we aren't getting t3 frigs. It'd obsolete everything else and THAT'S a bad thing.