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, instead of . to seperate isk from cent. **** YEAH!

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Joahna Gramer
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-24 14:38:10 UTC
Best. Change. Ever.
Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot.
Pierced Brosmen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-24 14:40:51 UTC
Realy?
Awesome, been hoping for that to change ever since I started playing
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
#3 - 2012-01-24 17:19:35 UTC
It seems they have changed to English input.
I was using . from numpad and now I have to go to the keyboard to find ,

Too bad!!!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#4 - 2012-01-24 17:21:43 UTC
This should probably be dictated by the localization settings you choose, and European should be distinct from American in this regard.

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Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
#5 - 2012-01-24 17:26:13 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
This should probably be dictated by the localization settings you choose, and European should be distinct from American in this regard.


Where can I select localization? I only see "Language" in settings and I have English.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#6 - 2012-01-24 17:28:43 UTC
Stealth indication of decline in American subscribers. Big smile

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7 - 2012-01-24 17:36:57 UTC
Drapko Nitzhonot wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
This should probably be dictated by the localization settings you choose, and European should be distinct from American in this regard.


Where can I select localization? I only see "Language" in settings and I have English.


Localization basically equals your language settings, and affects a number of little things about how your information is displayed.

I didn't mean to infer that this was a choice currently available to the players, it was more intended to reflect changes that could/should be considered for future tweaks to the various localization options. Not everything should be presented the same way under the blanket choice of English.

Some things are handled differently in America... I believe the use of , or . in numbers is one of them.

Not really a huge deal either way, just something to consider when there is time.

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Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
#8 - 2012-01-24 18:11:50 UTC
Thanks for explanation Ranger 1.

I hope there will be anything to choose between . and , representation.
I almost put something to buy with 100x times higher than higher buy price Evil
Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-24 18:20:03 UTC
Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.

For example:

£150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - £0.50 being half of £1!

Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.

European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact £15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; £15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.

Sorry to be all Grammar Nazi on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime.
Joahna Gramer
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-24 18:27:33 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.

For example:

£150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - £0.50 being half of £1!

Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.

European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact £15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; £15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.

Sorry to be all Grammar **** on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime.


Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them.

Quote:
In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a mess… I know).
Source
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-24 18:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
-nevermind-
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#12 - 2012-01-24 18:55:54 UTC
Now that I think about it, I'd be surprised if this hasn't actually been a preference derived from localization settings all along. I think users in anywhere but the US would kind of notice a period not separating ordinal groups.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#13 - 2012-01-24 19:05:35 UTC
Joahna Gramer wrote:
Reicine Ceer wrote:
Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.

For example:

£150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - £0.50 being half of £1!

Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.

European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact £15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; £15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.

Sorry to be all Grammar **** on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime.


Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them.

Quote:
In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a mess… I know).
Source


Thank you, this is what I was trying to get at in my clumsy way.

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stoicfaux
#14 - 2012-01-24 19:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Stealth indication of decline in American subscribers. Big smile


Does China use ',' or '.'?


edit: Crap. They use "九" for the decimal point.

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FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-24 19:10:51 UTC
obviously the devs are terrorists! OH NOES! (i'm joking btw)

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#16 - 2012-01-24 19:31:17 UTC
Iceland uses the comma, so the devs were just going with what is natural for themselves.
Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-25 18:47:45 UTC
Joahna Gramer wrote:


Sorry to dissapoint you, but what you say is only true for America and England. In most of Europe they use the comma to seperate between them.

Quote:
In English, the comma is used as a thousands separator (and the period as a decimal separator), to make large numbers easier to read. So write the size of Alaska as 571,951 square miles instead of 571951 square miles. In Continental Europe the opposite is true, periods are used to separate large numbers and the comma is used for decimals. Finally, the International Systems of Units (SI) recommends that a space should be used to separate groups of three digits, and both the comma and the period should be used only to denote decimals, like $13 200,50 (the comma part is a mess… I know).
Source



My grammatical point still stands. Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct. If a period is used to separate sentences in text, and a comma is used to allow a pause in a sentence, then mathematically these two symbols should in any right-thinking world be used in the exact same context.

The excerpt from dailywritingtips.com is simply aping what people 'do'. Whilst a vast majority of people may be doing it this way, it implies that their math is all horribly wrong (economic crises anyone?). Of course, language is a fluid and beautiful thing - new ways and old ways of speaking and using words occur every day, but - getting back to the topic here - grammatically, the way the likes of the Icelanders use commas and periods in displaying numbers is undeniably and horribly backwards, and just because people got taught wrong doesn't mean it should stay that way :P

"grammatik macht frei", etc
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2012-01-25 19:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Stealth indication of decline in American subscribers. Big smile


I r confused?

and I have to agree that , and ` are superior numeration dividers because either of which contains very little mathmatical value where as the . which translates into division function in all sorts of math which isnt fun every time I see it and my math side kicks in instead of remaining in reading mode.

either way they all look like . to me on my ui so I dont read bottom halves any more and only register the top halves in numbers and note the partial spacing between one group and the next.

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Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
#19 - 2012-01-25 19:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoloft Rx
In my client, fractions of isk are indicated by a period. I am looking at the client now. The format is: 1,000.00

Perhaps the client is localized for each of us.
Cierejai
Biofuel Productions
#20 - 2012-01-25 19:53:13 UTC
Joahna Gramer wrote:
Best. Change. Ever.
Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot.


The dot is between the 0 and Enter key.

???
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