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New Names! (for Missiles and Meta-Speed-Mods) Do you like them?

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Leah Solo
Lag No Use
#41 - 2012-01-24 17:52:44 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
can i haz my catalyzed cold gas arc jet thrusters back ... please? Oops


This..for the love of god, THIS!! Cry

New names are bland, stupid and make no sense. TRAUMA???

Also whoever thought these changes will make EVE easier on the new players, really has to cut on the pipe.

Seriously..I can really imagine thinking out all these new names, sitting in a circle, with a couple buddies in a very smokey room. Lol

Terrible..
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-01-24 18:00:01 UTC
In a few years, we will rant in local with other players about the good old times.
And someone will say. "Do you still remember scourge missiles?"
"Hell yeah, they were awesome..."
And then some newbie will ask what scourge missiles are.
And we will tell them them that they were so good they got nerfed to hell. But those were the golden days of Eve...

Hell, I am feeling like a vet already....can't wait for it to happen...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#43 - 2012-01-24 18:01:33 UTC
Korinne wrote:
To sound somewhat trollish, it isn't 'just because', it's to weed out the lame and the weak. I personally don't want to play a game where everything is spoon fed to you, the reward feels proportionally greater to the amount of effort required to obtain it.

I always thought the hard part of Eve was supposed to be the fact that it's complex by virtue of mechanics, not by virtue of meaningless verbiage.

Calling it a "Thorn Rocket" or a "Trauma Rocket" makes no difference to knowing not to use it if your targets are frigates using afterburners... oh, my bad, I meant "cold-gas arcjet thrusters".

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-01-24 18:02:04 UTC
Do you remember when you could call a Kinetic missile a Kinetic missile?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

Do you remember when certain folk weren't allowed on the golf course?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

All these fancy folk and their political correctness... you can't even call an em missile EM any more. Where will it end?

ATX: The best of the rest.

Ehn Roh
#45 - 2012-01-24 18:06:06 UTC
I dont like the AB/MWD names. They took something that could admittedly be confusing but sounded cool, to something that doesn't sound cool but isn't any less confusing.

I also liked the old missile names... the Icon clearly showed the damage type, I don't see what the problem was. The old names were cool.
Joahna Gramer
Little Red Riding Hole
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#46 - 2012-01-24 18:06:37 UTC
If you ask me we should give every item depending on its Meta Level a distinguishable colour.
How about grey, white, green, blue, purple and orange?

See here









Da'Than
Interstellar Military Industries
#47 - 2012-01-24 18:07:40 UTC
Missile names are crap (talking about post-TRAUMA-tic stress...).
AB/MWD names are only slightly less confusing.
Just put a bloody sign to the item picture to indicate the meta level, like with T2/T3/Faction stuff. Alternatively, use the same prefix for the meta level on every item type.
0: Heavy Missile Launcher
1: Modified Heavy Missile Launcher
2: Improved Heavy Missile Launcher
3: Experimental Heavy Missile Launcher
4: Prototype Heavy Missile Launcher
Or other prefixes, just bring them in line.
Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#48 - 2012-01-24 18:10:31 UTC
And then the prototype and experimental stuff can explode in your face, as such things are prone to do.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#49 - 2012-01-24 18:11:39 UTC
Korinne wrote:
And then the prototype and experimental stuff can explode in your face, as such things are prone to do.

If you overheat it too much, yeah, it will.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
#50 - 2012-01-24 18:13:35 UTC
If by overheat you mean turn it on, then probably.
stoicfaux
#51 - 2012-01-24 18:19:14 UTC
CCP really needs to crowd-source this kind of stuff, since flavor or fluff text is in the eye of the player.

In general, standardizing the missile names is a fine idea. However, "Trauma" is weaksauce. "Nova" isn't much better. The AB/MWD names still don't make sense and should be re-done.

At this point, I'm half-expecting CCP to somehow make the skill implant names even more confusing.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#52 - 2012-01-24 18:21:05 UTC
Also, "Inferno" missiles really should have been "Eyjafjallajökull" missiles. (Eyjafjallajökull is the Icelandic volcano that erupted in 2010.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Razin
The Scope
#53 - 2012-01-24 18:21:15 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I always thought the hard part of Eve was supposed to be the fact that it's complex by virtue of mechanics, not by virtue of meaningless verbiage.

This "meaningless verbiage" is the language of EVE. This effort of simplifying it for the lowest common denominator achieves nothing but blandness and additional verbiage. Now, instead of saying Y-T8 or Quad LiF, you have to say Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive or Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive; or instead of saying Scourge or Terror, you have to say Trauma Heavy or Trauma Heavy Assault; ect. You've not only added necessary verbiage pollution, you've also made it dryer, blander, and more average. You've dumbed down the world of EVE with your misguided concern for a nubie underachiever who will leave anyway because he/she can't have instant gratification in our game. Nice going.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#54 - 2012-01-24 18:29:25 UTC
A clear HELL YES from me. I've been playing this game for years. It took me TWO freakin years to finally learn all the names and what the diffrent stuff in EVE was. TWO years to learn freakin names, often without any connection to what the mod actually did.

This change is LONG overdue. EVE needs moar players, and a game shouldnt need a freakin dictionary to decode it. Just because YOU had it hard, doesnt mean that every new player has to go through the whole ordeal.
stoicfaux
#55 - 2012-01-24 18:33:05 UTC
Razin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I always thought the hard part of Eve was supposed to be the fact that it's complex by virtue of mechanics, not by virtue of meaningless verbiage.

This "meaningless verbiage" is the language of EVE. This effort of simplifying it for the lowest common denominator achieves nothing but blandness and additional verbiage. Now, instead of saying Y-T8 or Quad LiF, you have to say Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive or Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive; or instead of saying Scourge or Terror, you have to say Trauma Heavy or Trauma Heavy Assault; ect. You've not only added necessary verbiage pollution, you've also made it dryer, blander, and more average. You've dumbed down the world of EVE with your misguided concern for a nubie underachiever who will leave anyway because he/she can't have instant gratification in our game. Nice going.


Oh please. There's a reason why CCP added the 'meta' column to the inventory windows, and why people use t1, t2, named, and officer as short-hand for quality of modules instead of their actual names.

The only reason why missiles were actually called by their names was because the listener could usually figure out the damage type from the name and the class of missile from the context. Which is in stark contrast to the randomly named railgun ammo, laser crystals, modules, etc., that have random stat tweaks.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#56 - 2012-01-24 18:39:48 UTC
Razin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I always thought the hard part of Eve was supposed to be the fact that it's complex by virtue of mechanics, not by virtue of meaningless verbiage.

This "meaningless verbiage" is the language of EVE. This effort of simplifying it for the lowest common denominator achieves nothing but blandness and additional verbiage. Now, instead of saying Y-T8 or Quad LiF, you have to say Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive or Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive; or instead of saying Scourge or Terror, you have to say Trauma Heavy or Trauma Heavy Assault; ect. You've not only added necessary verbiage pollution, you've also made it dryer, blander, and more average. You've dumbed down the world of EVE with your misguided concern for a nubie underachiever who will leave anyway because he/she can't have instant gratification in our game. Nice going.


I am not CCP, nor do I work for them (as much as I'd like to).

I have never seen anyone refer to the meta modules by name. It's more to the tune of:

Quote:

A > you should use a meta MWD on your fit
B > which one?
A > Y-Ts tend to be cheap on the market.


Replace "Y-Ts" with "experimentals" and you've got the same thing. I really see no long-term loss of "language of Eve".

The missile complexity of the naming shouldn't even need the extra word, since presumably the person asking about the missiles already knows what sort of launchers he's using. Just like you tell a Rifter with autocannons to get "EMP" and he knows to get "EMP S", you can tell a Drake with HMLs to get "Trauma" and he knows to get "Trauma Heavy Missile" because nothing else fits in there. If it were the old style of launchers where you could put heavy missiles in heavy assault launchers (or whatever it was, I'm not that old), then yes, this would be an unnecessary addition of complexity. As there is a 1-to-1 mapping of launcher to missile type now, it does not.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Razin
The Scope
#57 - 2012-01-24 18:44:15 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Razin wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I always thought the hard part of Eve was supposed to be the fact that it's complex by virtue of mechanics, not by virtue of meaningless verbiage.

This "meaningless verbiage" is the language of EVE. This effort of simplifying it for the lowest common denominator achieves nothing but blandness and additional verbiage. Now, instead of saying Y-T8 or Quad LiF, you have to say Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive or Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive; or instead of saying Scourge or Terror, you have to say Trauma Heavy or Trauma Heavy Assault; ect. You've not only added necessary verbiage pollution, you've also made it dryer, blander, and more average. You've dumbed down the world of EVE with your misguided concern for a nubie underachiever who will leave anyway because he/she can't have instant gratification in our game. Nice going.


Oh please. There's a reason why CCP added the 'meta' column to the inventory windows, and why people use t1, t2, named, and officer as short-hand for quality of modules instead of their actual names.

The only reason why missiles were actually called by their names was because the listener could usually figure out the damage type from the name and the class of missile from the context. Which is in stark contrast to the randomly named railgun ammo, laser crystals, modules, etc., that have random stat tweaks.

That's bullshit. The short names were used routinely to identify different items. It all depended on the context.
Sarpadeon
Rebirth Industries
#58 - 2012-01-24 18:45:25 UTC
old naming made it needlessly complex for new players, there was absolutely no reason missiles should have had 24 different names just for T1 in the first place, when every other ammo type had 8(12 if you count both different T2 lines)

only wish they kept different naming conventions based on if the missile is guided or unguided, ie rocket/HAM/torp would have a naming convention for each dmg type, and standard/heavy/cruise would have a naming convention for their damage type, so there would be the same number of missile ammo names as gun ammo names, and would cut down on the mass of faction results for each damage type in search.

ie unguided could be Mjolnir/Trauma/Inferno/Nova and guided could be Static/Scourge/Hellfire/Bane
Razin
The Scope
#59 - 2012-01-24 18:48:37 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:


I am not CCP, nor do I work for them (as much as I'd like to).

Not surprised you found it hard to tell I was speaking to CCP.
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I have never seen anyone refer to the meta modules by name.

I have.
Ion Rubix
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-01-24 18:49:01 UTC
Razin wrote:

This "meaningless verbiage" is the language of EVE. This effort of simplifying it for the lowest common denominator achieves nothing but blandness and additional verbiage. Now, instead of saying Y-T8 or Quad LiF, you have to say Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive or Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive; or instead of saying Scourge or Terror, you have to say Trauma Heavy or Trauma Heavy Assault; ect. You've not only added necessary verbiage pollution, you've also made it dryer, blander, and more average. You've dumbed down the world of EVE with your misguided concern for a nubie underachiever who will leave anyway because he/she can't have instant gratification in our game. Nice going.


I agree. The "language of EVE" adds to the depth of immersion that CCP say they are always striving towards.

I liked the fact that as a new player I found it immensely rewarding discovering the nuances of different meta level modules just to see if they would fit onto my minimal skill piloted frigate.

"If I fit 'Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters' I get an extra 13% out of my engines!" - Noob Rubix said many moons ago. Big smile