Science & Industry

@Lelith Hellebron I must have been doing my character for 2h+ at that time. This is the 1st prototype of it Link. And I also feel bad for presenting all that data out of my ass. Cant help it as Forum ate my post. I will correct it at a later time if I'll have the willpower.

Anyway I have some production planets and many extraction planets in my WH. So I restart 50 Planets every 2 days. If I don't move the Heads at all then its super easy/fast. Sometimes 25 min for 50 planets when I'm in a hurry. You know about when you restart a planet and go to the next it say pls wait 5-6 sec

What is that? Well it limits me from activating the next planet. Its annoying sometimes.
- Planet 1 5 sec to zoom in and click install
- Planet 2 15 sec BLOCK + 5 sec for restart
- repeat 20 sec
- repeat 20 sec
- repeat 20 sec
- repeat 20 sec

So I close EVE and run it again to switch characters. With my SSD I'm in the game before my Main Could Warp off. Is rly funny still seeing my other character inside the POS. They all fly Industrial ships. So lets say 30-40 sec. I believe 2 min 30 sec per character is possible for me.

Ah I see it now ... maybe under normal circumstances it would take about 4x longer to do all that (adjusting heads, saying "Hi" in Corp chat ....) So lets say 30 min for 15 planets ?

Oh we did go off a bit from the OPs main question "New to PI: High Sec PI Still profitable? (Sorry if its a dead horse...)"

I consider any activity that takes up 1h of work per day and pays for a PLEX at the end of the month profitable.
PI in HighSec
- 30min maintance per day
- can pay for a PLEX
- most of the work can be done while you mine or travel to your destination
- needs 14 days to train (5 planets,lvl 5 CC, Iteron III)

Until you find something that pays more than 500 mill for 60 min of work per day you are good with PI

Oh and just for reference. Lets assume a LVL 4 mission runner gets 30 mil ISK per 60 min of work. For PI you need 15h per month to maintain the system + the time to haul 492.480 m3 to nerest Station. The mission runner would make 450 mil in 15h. Now I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but to consider of spending 42 day of tanning for PI or a BS for missions.

Wait How fast can a pilot do lvl 4s with 42 days of traning?

I make about 100 mil a month off high sec PI with 4 characters, and that is only selling the surplus I don't need for POS fuel.
I make 500 mil to 1 bil a month off selling BPC's and researched BPO's I make at my POS. And still run level 4's when I have the time to log in for more than20-30 minutes a day.

There is good isk in PI. It is mostly passive 20-30 minutes a day for me running on 1 day 2 hour cycles + hauling once a week.
That 20-30 minutes also includes the time it takes me to complete and restart research jobs at my POS. Don't even need to leave the station unless it is hauling day.

When I do have the time to actually log in to play my time is spent on exploration or level 4 missions. neither is crazy high income as I do not worry about maxing my completion times, but when added to the passive income of my PI and research POS I can easily make over 1 bil a month.

Wow, who is that model you used? Absolutely piercing eyes. Stunning.



Yes, all part of it, exactly! I find that number MUCH more accurately reflects the imperfect realities of PI. Damn, I knew you were sharp from reading your other posts 'round these parts, but maybe you should be writing guides.

In my experience, this sort of situation is the norm - not a strenuous race against the clock to maximize efficiency. ESPECIALLY for new industrialists not wholly comfortable with what they are doing yet. It is therefore a more relevant metric for our OP.



Aye, that we did, and you're absolutely right that it is both technically profitable, and not a bad profit. I merely think hisec PI is a poor choice on the basis of its being much more work than lowsec PI for less return, which I'll get into below.



Not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if you get some L4 pilots in here claiming more than 30m/hr, but I don't even know ballpark figures for this, so I can't really compare it to PI.

I'd like to point out, however, that using your accurate, reasonable and realistic figures (that is to say, an average of an hour a day after accounting for all hauling, logistics, marketing, distractions, etc, for 500m/mo) the Isk/w-hr ratio is 16.6m, which is better than hisec mining, but not better than much else, I'm afraid. Very low risk, though, which is nice, of course.

That said, have you ever considered lowsec PI Invictra? Judging solely from the posts of yours I've read, with your thorough understanding of PI markets and mechanics, you'd make a killing. Feel free to msg me in game - perhaps we can work together if you're interested.

Comparatively still crap.

Still profitable for those people who don't want to spend the effort getting out to null or a wormhole.

I was a little confused yesterday when you said this and I've just been ingame to check and the planetery interaction counter seems to reset when you change planets. I couldn't get it to trigger no matter what I tried as long as I changed planets inbetween and some actions where defenatly under 10 secs.

The only thing I can think of is that you are hitting submit every time you reset a ECU, you don't need to do that you can reset all ECU on the planet then submit move to next planet and you are 'immune' to the Planetery interaction cooldown.

CCP changed the nomenclature a while back.

The CC levels now directly map to the CCU skill level. Which means a CC5 requires CCU5.

Patch Notes 1.1
World Shaping
-The storage capacity on all Planetary Interaction storage pins has been increased from 5000m3 to 12000m3 so that it may better compete with the space port.

The Export Tax for that item should be 900 ISK. The jump in TAX could only be caused by the owner of the POCO you are using. If he does set the tax to 100% then you pay 9.000 ISK per export.

Sorry my bad

I would tend to agree, the UI does seem very resource intensive considering the apparent simplicity of it, I'm lucky enough for it not to be an issue really , though I do remember my old rig wasn't entirely happy running it smoothly.