Warfare & Tactics

Amarr militia is having a civil war? I'm a little sad no one invited my FW character to that party, sounds like a lot of good pews.


When and why did this become a thing?

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Consider this roleplay element:

The FW militias are arms length organisations that provide their sponsoring Empire plausible deniability. If the empires start openly interfering in the internal squabbles of the militias they lose that deniability and the militia becomes a simple extension of the Navy. Therefore whilst they may decry a civil war on the sidelines and subtly try to broker peace they can do no more than that.

Meanwhile consider roleplaying a capsuleer. You are immortal who Primary social interaction is with other immortals. Sure the first time you lose your crew it is horrific, but the hundredth time? Thousandth? Tens of thousands of ships worth of crew? Likewise with killing, how many hundreds of thousands or millions has an experienced capsuleer killed? Especially counting structures like citadels. Capsuleers do not think in the same terms as baseliners (normal humans).

When it comes to race, culture and nationality it likewise starts off important. But when some of your allies have been capsuleers from different backgrounds and some of your greatest immmortal enemies from the same background it also starts to lose meaning with time. Capsuleers would find it bewildering for the empires to tell them that they cannot shoot people of the same background in their space. It would also be futile as retaliation only harms the ships crews, Capsuleers have already proven themselves willing to suicide their crews into Concord in order to strike at an opponents asset.

My ships are automated despite what CCP seems to think there is really only me on board.

The Amarr are strange and apparently can have a civil war where no one fights or can explain what the war is about, technically I would say that war counts as fiction.

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<3 fighting you Varrinox, you get it. I will probably be back in FW at some point in the future, because I always liked it more than null, but there are so many things that make it generate more content for me at the moment. With things like citadels really changing the FW meta (owning the systems now just stops mission from being run efficiently, rather than staging), it is a great time to really work on Faction Warfare, if nothing else, break the alliance between Amarr/Cal and Min/Gal since there is no meaningful penalty for shooting your allied faction.

The current balancing mechanic is the LP market, before long Minmatar items will be worth little having a huge glut of LP, making the farmers go to the Amarr side as even in tier 1 the value of items will increase. The farmer swarm is more or less the exact same people and bots chasing profit. I really don't like that the market is the thing that balances it out, both Minmatar and Amarr have held the entire warzone in 2015 an 2016 respectively, so probably by late 2017 Amarr will push back.

And yes, farmers don't bash hubs, but it seems if they get vulnrable enough bashing will happen by someone, and the system will flip.

Except this isn't about "rewarding the losers", this is about rewarding risk, something Eve Online is founded on. It makes sense than an empire has to pay mercenaries and militias more to join a losing side than to join a winning side, something that has been true to history. It's a historical fact that the more desperate wars became, the more desperate the concessions empires had to make to their soldiers.

The winners already receive their reward - a ridiculous amount of relative safety within their systems after everyone flocks over to join them on their alts. It takes coordinated effort to swing that momentum back the other way, and were does that momentum come from?

I'd be forced to agree with ValentinaDLM, the only current balancing mechanic is the LP market, that is, something completely outside of the motivation of Factional Warfare and purely driven by the desire to exploit the mechanic for maximum amount of profit. LP should be a reward, not the objective.

It isn't about losing and winning, it's about putting in the skills and the effort, and with the current system, that's not what's rewarded. What's rewarded is joining the side with the bigger numbers.

This is why I don't RP. Too many damn SJW's using RP to force feed everyone into their "can't we all get along" Utopia.