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Solo Player

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Aktiri Komarrin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-07-23 23:37:50 UTC
I like to play solo. Do my own thing. In EVE it seems this can happen. However, it seems to me (this is just an observation....correct me if I'm wrong, plz) that the game lends itself to more griefing of solo players. What can a player do to avoid getting ganked after spending countless hours building up a character?

Thanks
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2017-07-24 00:39:29 UTC
Griefing and ganking will happen in this game but there are certainly things that you can do to reduce the risk of both. What can be done is really context specific and blanket question is more than I can think of a way to sum up in a few paragraphs. Just know that as you learn more about the game you will learn more how to avoid this kind of stuff but often that knowledge will come from the school of hardknocks.

As far as solo play it most certainly can be done. This game intentionally is designed to encourage group efforts and group play but solo play is certainly viable. To get more specific than just one sentence that solo play is possible I'd need to know more about your goal and likes and dislikes.

As far as your comment:
Aktiri Komarrin wrote:
What can a player do to avoid getting ganked after spending countless hours building up a character?

Thanks


When you loose a ship or even a pod in this game your character looses nothing. The only thing that you loose is the ship. Fly cheap and shrug off the loss. If you are looking to "not loose" then you have already lost. I say a better way to proceed is to focus on succeeding. Don't worry too much about the losses just learn from each one and then each lost ship is gained knowledge.

Eve is not a progression game and there is no balanced content in this game. Ten years down the road and a couple hundred million skill points from now you will likely still be flying cheaply fit T1 ships on a regular basis. Don't get caught up in the trap of thinking bigger or more expensive is better. Again I say this is not a progression game. You are not constantly looking to upgrade to the "best available gear"

Eve is a game about doing more with less. So focus on learning and gaining experience and don't look at loss as a bad thing or something to be avoided. They say never undock in something that you can't afford to loose and I would say a more acurate statement is you should not be undocking in anything that you can't shrug off. If loosing the ship is going to cause you emotional stress or conflict then I'd recommend not flying it.

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Memphis Baas
#3 - 2017-07-24 02:19:08 UTC
EVE is a PVP game, and the ships are equivalent to classes from other games (you want to tank, dps, crowd-control (ewar), heal (remote repair logi), industry, etc., you jump into the appropriate ship for the job). So just like in other MMO's where each class has a glaring PVP weakness, if you fly solo you'll run into the same thing in EVE. It's not that people like to gang up on solo targets, it's that 1-vs-many PVP is difficult, in any MMO.

Fortunately, PVP engagements happen for a number of reasons:

- for fun
- for profit
- for killboard bragging rights
- because there's a war and you need to defend your stuff
- because friends ask you to join / help out

As in the post above, you can minimize some of these, and make yourself less of a target. Don't fit your ship with bling expensive modules, don't carry too much expensive stuff in your cargo, learn all the evasion methods and how to escape attacks in high-sec, low-sec, null, or wormhole space, etc. If you're doing industry or PVE, count PVP losses as part of your cost of operation, and plan accordingly.

I think playing solo misses the point of the game; EVE is a strategy game (gather some units, conquer the map), played from the point of view of a single unit. But, play as you wish, do whatever is fun for you. There are plenty of solo PVE activities, and solo PVP is also possible, as this EVE University guide shows.
Netan MalDoran
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#4 - 2017-07-24 07:14:14 UTC
I like my solo times, but currently i have found it to be personally more fun to be with some other guys rn.

That said, when I played solo, it was fun to live in Black Rise, if youre in a quiet system, you can base out of it and go out and PvP for fun!

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-07-24 07:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Hello and welcome to Eve.

I've been mainly a solo player in this game for over 9 years. That doesn't mean I haven't flown or worked together with other players. Now I'm not talking about freely giving your trust to others, that has to be earned. However always try to build up a good friendship with like minded people. Just remember it takes time to do that.

As for your question about being safe, fly with the mind set that everyone is out to get you, especially in High Security space. Basically it's all about flying smart and staying safe.

Always make sure your ship's defensive mods are activated immediately after undocking.
Never fit up mixed defensive types on your ship, specialize in either Shield or Armor tank.
Always fly your ship manually and never use Autopilot for traveling after setting a course.
Always keep moving and get some range from the warp in landing spot of missions, exploration sites, Asteroid / Ice Fields, etc.
Learn how to set up and use Safe Spots, Undock Spots, Gate Spots, etc.
Learn how to set up and use Directional Scan with various Overview tabs.
Always be prepared to warp out in a moments notice when somebody lands on grid with you.
Set contact status of players and Corps with bad history to red status.
Keep watch on your Overview as well as Local Chat for Red status contacts or for a large spike in population amount.
When traveling in Null Sec space, always warp to a different Celestial Object at max range first before warping to the next Jumpgate.

There's plenty of information available on the net, just do a quick google search, take some time to read it and then practice what you've learned. Good luck to you and may you have a long rewarding career here in Eve.

DMC
Scialt
Cynosural Edge
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#6 - 2017-07-24 13:26:09 UTC
Eve is never truly solo... but it's easy to play without allies.

The point is there is pretty much always a threat of another player engaging in PvP with you... regardless of what security space you fly in. To me... that threat is what makes Eve fun. Even if you are just hauling stuff... you have to worry that someone will gank your hauler to take your cargo. That threat is what adds spice to activities that would be pretty mind numbingly boring otherwise. Same goes for mining, exploration, whatever. You may not be searching for that player interaction, but the fact it might come find you anyway is what makes eve fun.

Playing with a group of players allows sharing of intel and working as a group to add security to your operations. Without that you'll need to be very good at monitoring other players and setting standings so you know which ones might be dangerous. You'll need to be good with D-scan so you can see someone warping in on you before they appear on grid (actually... you need to do this regardless). If you're in an area where locals have developed intel channels... making friends enough to get on those channels would probably be wise too.

I will say most players are usually "doing their own thing"... even if they're part of a corporation and helping out with corp ops too. A good corporation offers the player benefits in exchange for having the player help the corporation.

Sure, I show up to mine some rocks every now and then or press F1 on command... but in exchange I get a 0% tax rate, corp buy back of loot and minerals, access to rigged corp and alliance citadels, convenient jump bridges, intel channels, cheap tax rates for exporting/importing PI... stuff that helps my plans along.
Murkalael Arbinger
Nullvoid Tech
#7 - 2017-07-24 13:27:06 UTC
Work yourself to get plex, Do missions some of them will give you mining sites, mine the ore before you turn in the mission, you will be less ganked then when you're on asteroid belt (some missions will give you even rarer ores like arkonor), once you get omega, train the required skills to fly and fit a battleship and join incursion fleets and never get ganked again (unless you're afk player).
Netan MalDoran
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#8 - 2017-07-24 18:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Netan MalDoran
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
Work yourself to get plex, Do missions some of them will give you mining sites, mine the ore before you turn in the mission, you will be less ganked then when you're on asteroid belt (some missions will give you even rarer ores like arkonor), ------ once you get omega, train the required skills to fly and fit a battleship and join incursion fleets and never get ganked again (unless you're afk player).


Youre seriously trolling in NCQA? The only thing I see valid in that post is the last sentence.
Work to get plex? Thats basically telling someone "Hey, go grind for 30 hours instead of flipping burgers for 2 hours".
Mining ore in mission sites? Thats way less profitable than blitizing sites. If what you said was true, then mission runners would be mining for ISK instead.

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth

Roderick Mellius
Prometheus LTD
#9 - 2017-07-24 20:08:45 UTC
Aktiri Komarrin wrote:
I like to play solo. Do my own thing. In EVE it seems this can happen. However, it seems to me (this is just an observation....correct me if I'm wrong, plz) that the game lends itself to more griefing of solo players. What can a player do to avoid getting ganked after spending countless hours building up a character?

Thanks


Well, I'm mostly a solo player, with different toons for PVE and Exploration, and two other that are in other corps, you know, with other people.

As others have said, losses are just a part of the Eve equation. You will get ganked. I don't feel like I have been targeted more so than other players on purpose. It's just a matter of opportunity.

However, paranoia pays in Eve, so you'll to watch your back constantly. In highsec and lowsec local chat is your friend. Always check how many people are in the same system, if there are too many reds, hide! D-scan is a good tool to measure threats (decrease radius to see how many ships are near you).

The map, however is one of my favorite tools. It has statistics that can save you, e.g., average pilots in the last hour, in system kills, number of jumps, etc. Learn to use the map and you'll have a powerfull way to avoid trouble.

The simple rule is to be ever watchfull, because predators in Eve are no different from those in the wild. They wait for distraction (read this last phrase in a deep and menacing voice, for better effect).




Murkalael Arbinger
Nullvoid Tech
#10 - 2017-07-24 22:20:25 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:
Work yourself to get plex, Do missions some of them will give you mining sites, mine the ore before you turn in the mission, you will be less ganked then when you're on asteroid belt (some missions will give you even rarer ores like arkonor), ------ once you get omega, train the required skills to fly and fit a battleship and join incursion fleets and never get ganked again (unless you're afk player).


Youre seriously trolling in NCQA? The only thing I see valid in that post is the last sentence.
Work to get plex? Thats basically telling someone "Hey, go grind for 30 hours instead of flipping burgers for 2 hours".
Mining ore in mission sites? Thats way less profitable than blitizing sites. If what you said was true, then mission runners would be mining for ISK instead.


Actually no. Trying to show a different perspective. Since most of oppinions here I saw and received since I joinned the game 8 months ago, are like 90% biased towards the pvp / low / null area, what is not wrong but do not cover all. Maybe the great majority of the game are pvp avids, but some (like me) are more like pvp meh!!!

So the path I choose and worked very well for me was do npc missions, mine inside missions to avoid any kind of unwanted disturbance, research market, develop skills, craft according to market value. From time to time scan anomalies, run sites to change a bit. Once I had enough isk, bought my first plex (old one), wich allowed me to craft / use bigger stuff. 2 months in game and I already was able to buy my first Megathron, and worked hard on keeping it on run.

I remember when I was at new player dockup players offering chances of 10M isk/h. Once you have chance of joining incursions that ammount is 10M isk / 5min tops. I believe the alpha status is good on certain level, to make player confortable with game mechanics, but once you reach certain point, no longer attracts you, that's IMHO is what driven the players away from game, I mean the ones most people on this forum complain. I saw a peak of 60k players when I started to play, now average 21K.

Botton line, don't get me wrong this is a new player advice for newer players. Take it or not is up to the one who reads it.
Boldly Gone
Winfield Star-Tech
Affirmative.
#11 - 2017-07-25 08:44:01 UTC
Murkalael Arbinger wrote:

I saw a peak of 60k players when I started to play, now average 21K.


It's not fair to compare a peak with an average to emphasize the peak.
Alaric Faelen
El Ultimo Hombre
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2017-07-25 13:09:03 UTC
Simply being killed is not griefing. You choose to play a massively multiplayer game.....alone. By definition, you are doing it wrong.

You can succeed alone, despite the game strongly lending itself to playing with others. But that is not the focus nor thrust of the game. Eve is a multi-player game and is designed with that core paradigm. The answer to virtually any problem in the game is simply- fleet up, make friends.

Doing that would save on forum threads about how playing a multiplayer game alone is not the ideal game experience.
Vala Azar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-07-25 14:32:33 UTC
Be determined and don't quit due to losses. Find ways to win and set your own rules. I am flying amarr ships exclusively for example. There are always new ways to improve and you will learn how to counter ships by flying them in various fits. 100 losses in a fit is decent knowledge.