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the early game on this game is so boring

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Captain puns PleaseNoMore
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-07-20 15:15:27 UTC
I'm going to keep playing but is there anything I can do to make the early game a little bit more fun
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2017-07-20 16:36:33 UTC
Join a newbie corp in nullsec. Get in t1 tackle/ewar. Have fun.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Forest Archer
Pathway to the Next
Last Calamity
#3 - 2017-07-20 17:18:29 UTC
Unfortunately eve does not create tbe fun eve is a tool that you use to make it for yourself but it is easier with others.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

Roderick Mellius
Prometheus LTD
#4 - 2017-07-20 17:36:41 UTC
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
I'm going to keep playing but is there anything I can do to make the early game a little bit more fun


Follow your dreams!
Padres McGee
#5 - 2017-07-20 19:39:35 UTC
It's understandable that your second day in the game isn't very "exciting", so to say. Many tend to quit for that reason before their character reaches even one week of age, so it's good that (you say) you don't because you'd be missing the really fun parts of Eve. As someone else mentioned, Eve is not the type of game that guides the player through exciting moments. You start off in a Corvette and that's it. You need a point of interest to experience fun in the long run.

I recommend you check out a newbie-friendly corp that focuses a bit on everything so you're shown what you can do in Eve and then you decide what you like to do and work/train towards it.

Take a look at this Careers Overview. It covers most if not all careers you can pursue in Eve - https://english.eve-guides.fr/images/wtd.jpg

Good luck!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2017-07-20 21:40:47 UTC
As other's have mentioned Eve is not like most other MMOs. So many other MMOs are very linear very scripted themepark style MMOs.

Eve is a sandbox so the real content of Eve is made by other players. CCP just builds and maintains the sandbox.

If you are looking for the game to direct you to the "next" step in your "progression" via a series of breadcrumb quests that just won't happen for a lot of reasons.

I could go into a text wall on this but the short version is that your character is capable of participating in fun and engaging content in a meaningful way right from day one. If you were an Eve veteran you could start up a brand new character and go out and have fun and create meaningful and engaging content right away. The only thing holding you back is your lack of knowledge of the game and lack of experience. Both of those are short term problems and easily short cutted around by fleeting up with vets and joining in on content that others have created.

I suggest experimenting with the game and taking chances. Learn from each loss and make friends along the way. If you could give us some indication of stuff that you are interested in or paths that you are seeking guidance on we might be able to give some more specific advice.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Captain puns PleaseNoMore
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-07-21 15:23:45 UTC
I messed around in faction Warfare takes hours to find somebody to fight and when you do find them there's no guarantee you'll win which I'm okay with losing but taking hours to lose not really.
I found the pve in this game pretty damn boring the missions to me don't seem like they're worth the trouble they're so tedious.
mining is not exciting at all but at least I can watch YouTube.
I tried messing around with the market a little bit too much work for me.
do you guys have any other suggestions
I know this is a Sandbox game I'm just interested in what you guys like to do now
maybe you can explain what you like to do in a little bit of a detail
Padres McGee
#8 - 2017-07-21 15:57:55 UTC
Be prepared to die a lot in FW. Sadly I can't give you any tips for it since I never tried FW but I'm sure others can! As far as I remember however, you shouldn't have too much of an issue finding hostiles, you just need to find the hotspots.

Personally I go exploring in a Cov Ops Frigate.. meaning I fly into nullsec or wormholes with the aid of cloaking devices and use probe scanners to scan down hidden areas which contain hackable structures that give you fairly expensive loot if you're lucky. In addition I do ratting, which means that I look up cosmic anomalies/signatures and kill npcs of varying difficulty, hoping that once the site is cleared, some good loot appears.
Scialt
Cynosural Edge
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#9 - 2017-07-21 17:39:08 UTC
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
I messed around in faction Warfare takes hours to find somebody to fight and when you do find them there's no guarantee you'll win which I'm okay with losing but taking hours to lose not really.
I found the pve in this game pretty damn boring the missions to me don't seem like they're worth the trouble they're so tedious.
mining is not exciting at all but at least I can watch YouTube.
I tried messing around with the market a little bit too much work for me.
do you guys have any other suggestions
I know this is a Sandbox game I'm just interested in what you guys like to do now
maybe you can explain what you like to do in a little bit of a detail



I rotate between a lot of things. The way my mind works, I start to get bored doing the same thing for long periods, so I tend to rotate between things in eve.

So... right now I might be ratting in null anomalies.
When I get bored with that I might mine for a bit.
Then I get bored and go do FW in T1 cruisers/destroyers/frigates.
Then I get bored and run data/relic sites.
Then I get bored and do some invention/manufacturing stuff.
Then I get bored and run some missions.
Then I get bored and completely restructure my PI to see if I can squeeze some more isk out of it.
Then I get bored and do some station trading.
Which turns into hauling for trading across markets.
Then I get bored and try to bait droppers in null.
Then after losing ships in an epic failure at my bait attempts... I go back to ratting in null for isk.

Fluffy Moe
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-07-23 05:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffy Moe
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
I messed around in faction Warfare takes hours to find somebody to fight and when you do find them there's no guarantee you'll win which I'm okay with losing but taking hours to lose not really.
I found the pve in this game pretty damn boring the missions to me don't seem like they're worth the trouble they're so tedious.
mining is not exciting at all but at least I can watch YouTube.
I tried messing around with the market a little bit too much work for me.
do you guys have any other suggestions
I know this is a Sandbox game I'm just interested in what you guys like to do now
maybe you can explain what you like to do in a little bit of a detail


No. Sorry, Eve sucks for what you're looking for. And I do not mean to be trollish or anything like that, I just know exactly and precisely where you're coming from. You are a combat oriented player, like me, and is looking for combat stuff.

You're stuck in a rut. A huge gigantic rut of not having the skills to fly and equip ships to be even remotely viable on a competetive scale. Just to even have a chance vs vet players. Nope, you do not have one unless that player is extra stupid which happens on rare occasions, or is AFKish.

And heres the worst part, unless you blow hundreds of $$$ (I kid you not, around $300-$500) on skill injectors, or someone gives them to you, you are screwed. Trust me, I looked into making some alts for various functions recently, including this one I'm posting on and after some simple calculations gave up on it completely.

And to all those "but you can tackle in T1.... blah blah blah..." yea, let their asses go tackle in T1 while they wait for their 1-2 year long skill ques to complete. See how fun they think that is.

So yea, welcome to your next year or 2 while your skill que progresses high enough to do anything thats fun on an even basically fun level in this game. Only thing that keeps me in is that I recovered my acc from long ago, and restructured some skillpoints. If I had to do it over gain, there is just no way I would. May not be what you want to hear, but, this is the reality of it.
Vala Azar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2017-07-23 08:40:28 UTC
I play FW. Skills are important but can be somewhat mitigated.

Pvp really is a rock, paper, scissors game. A rock can kill a rock with better skills (and/or implantat/boosters) so that means waiting and/or using lots of isk.

Your best bet is flying paper (kiter) vs scramkiters and brawlers while hoping you have enough time to kill them by outlasting them. Watch out for stuff that can catch you or hit you from long distance.

Missile ships are forgiving early.
Captain puns PleaseNoMore
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-07-23 19:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain puns PleaseNoMore
Fluffy Moe wrote:
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
I messed around in faction Warfare takes hours to find somebody to fight and when you do find them there's no guarantee you'll win which I'm okay with losing but taking hours to lose not really.
I found the pve in this game pretty damn boring the missions to me don't seem like they're worth the trouble they're so tedious.
mining is not exciting at all but at least I can watch YouTube.
I tried messing around with the market a little bit too much work for me.
do you guys have any other suggestions
I know this is a Sandbox game I'm just interested in what you guys like to do now
maybe you can explain what you like to do in a little bit of a detail


No. Sorry, Eve sucks for what you're looking for. And I do not mean to be trollish or anything like that, I just know exactly and precisely where you're coming from. You are a combat oriented player, like me, and is looking for combat stuff.

You're stuck in a rut. A huge gigantic rut of not having the skills to fly and equip ships to be even remotely viable on a competetive scale. Just to even have a chance vs vet players. Nope, you do not have one unless that player is extra stupid which happens on rare occasions, or is AFKish.

And heres the worst part, unless you blow hundreds of $$$ (I kid you not, around $300-$500) on skill injectors, or someone gives them to you, you are screwed. Trust me, I looked into making some alts for various functions recently, including this one I'm posting on and after some simple calculations gave up on it completely.

And to all those "but you can tackle in T1.... blah blah blah..." yea, let their asses go tackle in T1 while they wait for their 1-2 year long skill ques to complete. See how fun they think that is.

So yea, welcome to your next year or 2 while your skill que progresses high enough to do anything thats fun on an even basically fun level in this game. Only thing that keeps me in is that I recovered my acc from long ago, and restructured some skillpoints. If I had to do it over gain, there is just no way I would. May not be what you want to hear, but, this is the reality of it.


to be honest I think you're full of crap I don't see this game being that expensive

but to everybody else I really want to do player versus player in this game that's the direction I chose

I am debating about rerolling I just feel like my race is not capable of doing PVP
I'll make my mind up after a week if I post with a new character you know my choice
Forest Archer
Pathway to the Next
Last Calamity
#13 - 2017-07-23 19:41:24 UTC
Fluffy Moe wrote:
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
I messed around in faction Warfare takes hours to find somebody to fight and when you do find them there's no guarantee you'll win which I'm okay with losing but taking hours to lose not really.
I found the pve in this game pretty damn boring the missions to me don't seem like they're worth the trouble they're so tedious.
mining is not exciting at all but at least I can watch YouTube.
I tried messing around with the market a little bit too much work for me.
do you guys have any other suggestions
I know this is a Sandbox game I'm just interested in what you guys like to do now
maybe you can explain what you like to do in a little bit of a detail


No. Sorry, Eve sucks for what you're looking for. And I do not mean to be trollish or anything like that, I just know exactly and precisely where you're coming from. You are a combat oriented player, like me, and is looking for combat stuff.

You're stuck in a rut. A huge gigantic rut of not having the skills to fly and equip ships to be even remotely viable on a competetive scale. Just to even have a chance vs vet players. Nope, you do not have one unless that player is extra stupid which happens on rare occasions, or is AFKish.

And heres the worst part, unless you blow hundreds of $$$ (I kid you not, around $300-$500) on skill injectors, or someone gives them to you, you are screwed. Trust me, I looked into making some alts for various functions recently, including this one I'm posting on and after some simple calculations gave up on it completely.

And to all those "but you can tackle in T1.... blah blah blah..." yea, let their asses go tackle in T1 while they wait for their 1-2 year long skill ques to complete. See how fun they think that is.

So yea, welcome to your next year or 2 while your skill que progresses high enough to do anything thats fun on an even basically fun level in this game. Only thing that keeps me in is that I recovered my acc from long ago, and restructured some skillpoints. If I had to do it over gain, there is just no way I would. May not be what you want to hear, but, this is the reality of it.


Yes you can pay to win but the game was never designed to pay to win work towards what you want while doing what you can.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

Fluffy Moe
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-07-23 21:59:38 UTC
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
Fluffy Moe wrote:
Captain puns PleaseNoMore wrote:
I messed around in faction Warfare takes hours to find somebody to fight and when you do find them there's no guarantee you'll win which I'm okay with losing but taking hours to lose not really.
I found the pve in this game pretty damn boring the missions to me don't seem like they're worth the trouble they're so tedious.
mining is not exciting at all but at least I can watch YouTube.
I tried messing around with the market a little bit too much work for me.
do you guys have any other suggestions
I know this is a Sandbox game I'm just interested in what you guys like to do now
maybe you can explain what you like to do in a little bit of a detail


No. Sorry, Eve sucks for what you're looking for. And I do not mean to be trollish or anything like that, I just know exactly and precisely where you're coming from. You are a combat oriented player, like me, and is looking for combat stuff.

You're stuck in a rut. A huge gigantic rut of not having the skills to fly and equip ships to be even remotely viable on a competetive scale. Just to even have a chance vs vet players. Nope, you do not have one unless that player is extra stupid which happens on rare occasions, or is AFKish.

And heres the worst part, unless you blow hundreds of $$$ (I kid you not, around $300-$500) on skill injectors, or someone gives them to you, you are screwed. Trust me, I looked into making some alts for various functions recently, including this one I'm posting on and after some simple calculations gave up on it completely.

And to all those "but you can tackle in T1.... blah blah blah..." yea, let their asses go tackle in T1 while they wait for their 1-2 year long skill ques to complete. See how fun they think that is.

So yea, welcome to your next year or 2 while your skill que progresses high enough to do anything thats fun on an even basically fun level in this game. Only thing that keeps me in is that I recovered my acc from long ago, and restructured some skillpoints. If I had to do it over gain, there is just no way I would. May not be what you want to hear, but, this is the reality of it.


to be honest I think you're full of crap I don't see this game being that expensive

but to everybody else I really want to do player versus player in this game that's the direction I chose

I am debating about rerolling I just feel like my race is not capable of doing PVP
I'll make my mind up after a week if I post with a new character you know my choice


Race doesn't really matter unless you're staying alpha only. And I stand by what I said. You are currently in the "novelty" phase, but playing T1 tackle, or playing T1 anything vs T2+ with level 5 hull skills gets real old real fast, just give yourself some time.

If you focus on a single faction, and take 3-4 hull types to level 5s, for example cloaky frigs, recon ships, T3Cs, BS, + their respective support skills, + their respective weapon skills, you're looking at around 40 mil SP. And that will still leave you with a lot of level 4 skills, not 5s, and this isn't even with QOL skills so you can use markets and carry your own crap from place to place somewhat effectively.

This is the point which you need to be competetive, have some variety and decent chance of taking out your opponent or getting away. This is where the game becomes fun. At 40-80 mil SP. Go ahead and use a calculator, see how much $$ you come up with for maybe 60ish mil SP.


ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2017-07-23 23:04:52 UTC
Fluffy Moe wrote:
A huge gigantic rut of not having the skills to fly and equip ships to be even remotely viable on a competetive scale. Just to even have a chance vs vet players. Nope, you do not have one unless that player is extra stupid which happens on rare occasions, or is AFKish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k&t

Suitonia seems to do just fine against vets in T2 ships with his days old alt in a T1 rifter. The above linked video seems to completely disprove what you claim here.

As long as you are blaming your losses on skill points you'll never learn and get better. I'm not saying that skill points don't matter at all. I am just saying that they are far from everything and you certainly do have a fighting chance if you know what you are doing.

Eve is nothing like other MMOs and if you don't enjoy catching a target in your fast tackle ship and holding them down until your friends arrive to finish them off then you might not like Eve. Eve is very much a cat and mouse game. It's not about fair fights it's about catching someone with their pants down.

I once read someone on this very forum say " in Eve if you ever find yourself in a fair fight something went very wrong on both sides". What I think he meant in that is that in Eve no one wants to get into a fight unless they know that they can win or at least believe that they will win. So a lot of this game winds up being about the meta game basically meaning your are trying to trick your opponent into thinking that you are less powerful than you really are or at the very least getting them to misjudge what your strengths and weaknesses are.

So if someone willingly engages in combat with you in this game and you don't have any tricks up your sleeve then you can pretty much guarantee that you will loose. If you want to win in this game you will have to learn how to get into your opponents head or at the very least start thinking about what they are thinking about.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Boldly Gone
Winfield Star-Tech
Affirmative.
#16 - 2017-07-24 08:58:36 UTC
PvP with newbies - gatecamping next to starting systems or in tradehubs (Dodixie, Jita). Make sure to fly cheap frigates. That can be fun (not for me, I'm the freaking newbie suspicious about all the suspect folks sitting there) if you like other people **** their pants... At least it will be a lesson for them not to fly unsafe.
Captain puns PleaseNoMore
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-07-24 13:21:06 UTC
Boldly Gone wrote:
PvP with newbies - gatecamping next to starting systems or in tradehubs (Dodixie, Jita). Make sure to fly cheap frigates. That can be fun (not for me, I'm the freaking newbie suspicious about all the suspect folks sitting there) if you like other people **** their pants... At least it will be a lesson for them not to fly unsafe.

dying in pvp games no big deal I played games when you lost in them you lost your character and all your progress
I'm actually starting to enjoy this even though I'm losing
Murkalael Arbinger
Nullvoid Tech
#18 - 2017-07-24 13:21:48 UTC
I´m pvp allergic, but it seems it always comes after me, even I´m in hisec. But if you're looking for what to do, there this video to do low sec ratting. I tried and it's really interesting. Be sure to train the right skills for it to work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtAGzJbt1g
Vala Azar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2017-07-24 17:18:05 UTC
Actually some of us pvpers prefer the rock, scissors, paper game to lengths that we play mostly solo and win by pretending to be underdog. So the metagame is a real thing while I'm not much into tackling and teaming unless the overall FW objective requires it.

You can also win like Suitonia with worse skills(the real skill is knowledge and timing). Paper still eats rock.