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EVE Online: Crucible 1.1 Feedback

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Borg Stoneson
SWARTA
#21 - 2012-01-24 14:42:37 UTC
New post for a second issue.

Am I the only one who prefered my minimised windows going to little tabs at the bottom of the screen? Now my second chat box gets rolled up into the chat button, a button I don't even want to exist.
Taya Dentano
Tribuo Quod Victum
#22 - 2012-01-24 14:42:45 UTC
*freaks out*
HOW DID MY SISTERS EXPANDED BECOME A SISTERS CORE? *screams*
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-01-24 14:43:22 UTC
Also the new mwd and ab names are not much clearer than was the old ones.
Tazuki Falorn
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-01-24 14:46:02 UTC
I miss my Scourge Fury. Also jesus christ the chat animation is annoying :(
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-01-24 14:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
German keyboard layout here (with dead keys):

top row is:

°!"§$%&
^123456


"dead" ^ opens the new neocom's "E" menu even if focus is inside a chat window.

very annoying when writing a chat message^^

edit: removed shortcut via settings all is fine now, but still very annoying default setting. can't the window shortcut be ignored when I am writing text into a chat window/note/mail?
also non-dead ^ (e.g. I press ^ 2x times in succession does not trigger the menu)
Kronarn
Dirty Old Bastards
Random Violence.
#26 - 2012-01-24 14:46:55 UTC
Allow us to customize what blinks and what doesn't on the neocom please, it's gonna give me a seizure.
Tachys al'Fahn
Aeolian Earthworks
#27 - 2012-01-24 14:49:08 UTC
Ravcharas wrote:
Also the new mwd and ab names are not much clearer than was the old ones.

yeah... have to say... I preferrred the previous versions to the new ones.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-01-24 14:50:39 UTC
Kronarn wrote:
Allow us to customize what blinks and what doesn't on the neocom please, it's gonna give me a seizure.

AB/MWD: "Prototype" means meta 4

Projectile turrets: "Prototype" is meta 3, "Scout" is meta 4

stupid.
Depili
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-01-24 14:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Depili
Not being able to get rid of that useless and annoying constantly blinking chat channels button is definitely a big minus.

Also how on earth you manage to make a "customizable" UI element where most of the features aren't customizable? you can't remove the truly useless buttons from the neocom, you can't move the ships and items buttons from the bottom....
Tachys al'Fahn
Aeolian Earthworks
#30 - 2012-01-24 14:53:35 UTC
Tazuki Falorn wrote:
I miss my Scourge Fury. Also jesus christ the chat animation is annoying :(


Ahh... I see now... ALL the missiles are unified in naming, not just a mix up in two types... CAPITAL IDEA... (not really)
BlackTalon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-24 14:54:47 UTC
when we min chat windows they dissappear to necom why cant we have them min to bottom off screen any more where its easyier to see
Nicholai Sanse
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
#32 - 2012-01-24 14:55:24 UTC
Chribba wrote:
YES PLEASE LET US STOP THE SHIMMER OF THE CHAT ICON! OR LET US REMOVE IT!

ANNOYING AS HELL!
gfldex
#33 - 2012-01-24 14:57:41 UTC
The face of the agent in the agent list got much bigger, yet it carries no viable information. Players memorise agents by position from the top in the list of agents in a station, not by the randomly generated picture. When I left click or double click that face I am presented we an even bigger picture of that meaningless face. If I could invite them into my CQ to have ... fun that might change. Until then I would prefer to actually talk to that agent instead because that's the only meaningful thing to do with an agent in EVE.

You can find a list of fairly nice books on the subject here.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
CCP Arrow
C C P
C C P Alliance
#34 - 2012-01-24 14:58:23 UTC
We are fixing the blinking of the Chat icon in the Neocom. When the Chat window is open and the user can see the tabs blink from there, there is no need for the Chat icon to blink as well, that is the intended functionality.

Additionally, users are asking to be able to turn off blinking for individual Neocom icons (not just globally) like the Chat Icon, even if it is not minimized. We will be looking at that as well but the other change will be going in as soon as possible.

Options that are only available while docked appear from the bottom of the Neocom. Those options are:
Undock, Ships, Items.

The reason for those options being locked at the bottom is to not confuse users when they pop in and out of the Icon list of the Neocom whenever the user docks and undocks, changing the order and positions of icons each time.

But since users are not making the connection of those options being specific 'docked' options, we might need to find a different solution, but having them a part of regular Neocom options that are available globally could be a problem as well.

Thanks for the feedback, we are listening Smile

CCP Arrow   |   Director of User Experience   |   EVE Online   |   @CCP_Arrow
Omar Devone Little
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-24 14:59:00 UTC
Here's a suggestion, make it so that opened POS structure storage windows display their player given names at the top instead of their generic names ("Assemble Array", "Industrial Corporate Hangar" etc).
Kahylan
Hapax Entropia
#36 - 2012-01-24 14:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahylan
Nothing should be permanently this close to the "undock" button. "ships" and "items" are too close to the undock button, and they can't be moved.

You can still have station specific services show up from bottom up but there needs to be space between the undock and other buttons because currently it is entirely too easy to miss-click the undock. And get yourself killed if in a war/low sec/0.0.

edit: love the searchable skills in the character sheet !
Torag Mar
Aurum Et Ferrum
#37 - 2012-01-24 15:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Torag Mar
Being able to customize is always better, thanks CCP!

Suggestions:

Pool the 'detailed member list' option together with the other member list options, just for some conformity.

Let us be able to make the Station Services window more narrow. For example by enabling us to toggle off Agent portraits, and by making the large font of the agent's name scale down when you change window width.

Your small portrait is already the Character Sheet, having a separate one in the EVE menu (and a second icon appearing on the bar when you open it via your portrait) is redundant.

Put the clock above the Undock icon and give the clock some more height, just so people won't accidentally undock.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#38 - 2012-01-24 15:03:06 UTC
I liked the fact that if you have them on the station services panel they disappear.
That they are in the station services window should also be the default.

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See you around the universe.
Kai Jyokoroi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-01-24 15:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Jyokoroi
CCP Arrow wrote:

But since users are not making the connection of those options being specific 'docked' options, we might need to find a different solution, but having them a part of regular Neocom options that are available globally could be a problem as well.

Thanks for the feedback, we are listening Smile


Thanks! I am making the connection; the problem isn't that they're at the bottom of the screen, it's that ships is so close to the undock button.

Maybe:

1) A few pixels between them so it's harder to accidentally mash the wrong one.
2) An line divider that pops in at the bottom of the last item in the neocom list only when docked, with ships/items beneath that, so station / non-station NEOCOM options can't be mixed up.
Cash Godness
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-01-24 15:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cash Godness
ATTENTION - WARNING - ETC :))

I know the normal human beings ( non brain-damaged ) are annoyed by the chat blinking, in the neocom menu. I've asked about how to remove that and most people answered "there's no way". By using complicated mathematical equations along with some nuclear and cuantic physique, i've found a solution. Of course, it ain't free: you have to pay 1b if you want it revealed, especially Chribba.
C'mooooon... Seriously now :)

Here's the answer:
Move the "Annoying blinking chat" to the bottom of neocom, then add another icon just before it, forcing the "annoying blinking chat" to go lower. It will be moved into a horizontal drop down menu, along with other items that won't fit in neocom bar. You can expand the drop down menu by clicking of the little arrow, at the bottom of the neocom icons. However, the arrow will still blink ! In order to stop even the arrow blinking, right click on "annoying blinking chat" and select remove.
Yes, it works to remove it while it's in the drop down menu ! This way, you'll have a clear, non-blinking, neocom menu :)


Lots of peeps complaining about this:

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*insert post griping about new neocom*

also how do I remove the chat button on my neocom? i have 60+ chats at once. I don't need a chat button blinking all the time distracting me.

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Also for the love of god how do I make the channel button stop that annoyingly annoying blinking whenever someone writes in a channel tab I've set to blink? The tab blinks, that's all the alert I need. I don't want to have to disable ALL blinking alerts.

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While I don't have as many chats open I too would like to know how to get rid of the ******* thing, or failing that at least a way to make it shut up (visualy).

So far I've been using the disable blink function, but that's a blanket effect (why?!?) and also stops blinks on something I might actually care about.

Also why does it have to blink? What's wrong with a simple highlight? You know, something that doesn't distract you and doesn't induce psychotic behaviour.

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YES PLEASE LET US STOP THE SHIMMER OF THE CHAT ICON! OR LET US REMOVE IT!

ANNOYING AS HELL!

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My only criticism would be that there is no option to remove the chat icon. That icon will be blinking incessantly for those of us in a lot of chat channels.

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and so on :)