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plea for Walking in Station

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Umbre Fallenstar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2017-07-19 13:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Umbre Fallenstar
/!\ Precision /!\ It's not about keeping the actual CQ, but rather show that the IDEA of WiS is still cool ^^

Hello everyone o/

Umbre fallenstars here.

With the announcement of the near-but-not-yet removing of the captain quarters I would like to make a plea in favour of this (underused) feature.

But first, I want to thanks all the dev who worked on this feature (and the rest ofc) because the different quarters were always nice and with their proper ambiance. Those quarters really helped to get the scale of the ships. Something that we quickly lose track of.

that said...

So yes, I know, actually, there is nothing to do in those quarters.
yes, I also know that ccp have not worked as much as they promised on it (but when you see how violently the players reacted, you can understand why ^^" .
yes I also know that now the engine is "old" (even if, frankly, it's still kick the ass of some recent game *coughing, looking at andromeda*)

I'm not actually here to talk about the past.

No, I'm here to talk about what could, with little effort (compared with other things) transform those captains quarters in something really good (on my opinion ofc)

I'm not speaking about creating the whole station, not even a whole floor, just an other room, a bar, where you can go with up to the equivalent of a fleet. Add a bartender to buy some drinks and a dancer or two like in mass effect. And really importantly, a chat specific to this room but with bubbles, not a chat log.

On my opinion, that would have two effects: first, that would allow players to meet on foot, talk to each other and have fun. If this is allowed in citadelles, I can assure you that I know more than one whormholer that would gladly do it, just to break the feeling of isolation. Second, all the small corporation could really "feel" together, and not unable to really meet. I know that when speaking of EvE we too often thing of the "big alliances". But small one are also part of the univers.

If you add a mini game like a space poker or anything it would be great ^^ (I'm not asking you to invent a new game, even if technically, a card game like earthstone but based on EvE online would be awesome and help expand the lore).

and if you fear that people won't go, you can always add a NPC giving specifics mission inside (wanted missions, pirates missions in Hi sec, contraband, etc)

now, on "why" that would help, apart of the social side I already spoke of, there is two other avantage.

the first is that it would help make the lore more accessible. Yes, I'm a roleplayer, and proud to be ^^ and if I could buy specific drinks from all over the systems, even illegals one (I would die to get a office wine from the amarrians ^^) it would be great and encourage the travel from a system to another.
And second, it would make an other place where to spend money and get it out of the game (add personnalisable quarters where the furniture can only be bought from NPC and you can make it a big hole in some wallets ^^)

Other consequences that could have:

-help new players get into eve. If you can put faces, even of NPC on your first hours of game, take your missions from a actual NPC and meet your friend without two hull's ship in between, that would help some players to get into EvE and stay.

-encourage player-lore-creation. When you can do ACTUAL roleplay without using a chat windows, roleplay start to come to life. And if there si more RP, there is more creation from the players. Better communications about it (a video of players is always better than a transcript of a chat window) and there it is: more interest in it.

I could go one for a moment but I feel that not everyone is still reading ^^

Thanks to those who have read until there, you can go get a cookie

Sincerely,

Umbre Fallenstars

*bracing for ranting*

PS: sorry for the long post, here, have a space potato
lexthor Ellecon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-07-19 13:25:28 UTC
+1
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2017-07-19 13:56:15 UTC
i say shift the quarters to a shared corporate quarters or alliance wide/coalition wide space. overhaul voice coms to be able to switch channels at will like teamspeak offers and give people similar options here to set up corp voice chat in game without 3rd party software.

in citadels this would be a shared space with actual present players being there in flesh, and people in far off spaces being shown in hologram like a universal alliance wide space thats built into each citadel and broadcast everyone present in all locations so its a hub.
gives a place for formal corp meetings, take an elevator to your own personal expanded captains quarters.

could be expanded later to include more out of ship gameplay elements like star citizen which eve could have had years ago if they hadnt wasted so much time on that world of darkness game.
Peter Ska
True Faces Hungary
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2017-07-19 16:06:31 UTC
Old code outdated? Delete it. Completely rewriting station walking into an FPS? You open The Door, and then you enter the arena?FW exclusive? This would be heart warming for some of us.
In the other hand, with stunning open world FPS games all around, and CCP not being able to fully maintain the space sim part, this whole station (maze style) and planets (open world) walking stuff will never become a thing.
Except they integrate it to EVE directly. Dust would be better too, if it was an extra content inside EVE and not just another game using the same chat channels. IMO.
And also: Nice dreams, will never happen. IMO.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-07-19 21:19:38 UTC
It's dead Jim.

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Umbre Fallenstar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2017-07-19 21:33:15 UTC
it's actually an excellant point, like star trek, my point is not about keeping alive something that should not stay in game (for many MANY reasons) but restarting something new, in the same spirit ^^
Zarina Klarhet
New Eden Companion's Guild
#7 - 2017-07-19 23:14:50 UTC
I had also hoped to walk around in a station and interact with other capsuleers in virtual clone form. I understand the code is old and developers would prefer to focus on other facets of the game. I will play either way, is the first game of this caliber that I have any interest in playing.
Celfea Dur
TEXAS RENEGADES
#8 - 2017-07-20 01:26:33 UTC
+1

I am a die-hard 3%-er when it comes to my captain's quarters. From the moment it was launched, it has been my default setting on every character...except during sessions of otherwise required mayhem! I love it! I don't even care that I can't sprint from my ship to the living room couch....my pilot struts in the door like the agent of badassery that she is....my only regret is that the door to the rest of the station never opened.

I just want to know, who at CCP is incapable of looking at the crowd funding support that has been given to Star Citizen for their "first person universe" and can't look at EVE's captain's quarters with at least some iota of an idea that EVE has a little under-utilized feature just sitting there waiting to poke Star Citizen in the eye? I just don't get it.

CIG has been working on SC for years but CCP won't drop 8-months into revamping Captain's Quarters and making a show of force in the domain that is clearly theirs to own????
Umbre Fallenstar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-07-20 08:33:19 UTC
I agree, people seem to think that, if you want WiS, you want a life simulator, aka, changing the core of the game. But for me it's not the case.

And I also agree that star citizen will damage EvE, even if SC is a failure. because it gave dreams for many peoples. And I have many friends who didn't played EvE, just because they could not "feel" their character and felt limited by the hull of their ship, like it was some kind of prison for them.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-07-20 10:37:35 UTC
AeonOfTime
Syrkos Technologies
#11 - 2017-07-20 10:40:05 UTC
+1

I've been a big fan of my captain's quarters from the start. I use it pretty much all the time, and love the way light dances on my chars when they stand in front of the screen. Waaaaay better watching that than the gigantic ads in the hangar, in my opinion. I always end up rotating the camera away to put them out of my field of view anyway.

Besides, being able to see your whole character is kind of a big deal since we have all these fine clothing options. That cat is out of the bag, and I would be loath to go back to being just a portrait. Starting there, being able to walk around and show off your style to others is a logical next step.

I realize EVE is a "spaceship pew pew game", but hey - it does that pretty well already. Finer balancing needs will always exist, and they are addressed as needed. So why not go beyond if possible? It is important not to lose the dream of what EVE can still become. Citadels have shown that EVE's world building potential is alive and kicking. Its featureset today is damn impressive, and even if wishing for seamlessly landing on planets is a tad too wild right now, WiS seems to me to be in the realm of possibility.

Personally I would love Stations in general to be more than just hangars. Imagine talking to your agents face to face to discuss missions if you like - I for one would love that to bits. EVE caters to a lot of playstyles, and that would defnitely have its place.

I shall stop here lest I start rambling.

Cheers, Aeon.

Lone wolf and nomad extraordinaire. eve.aeonoftime.com

Umbre Fallenstar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-07-20 11:21:43 UTC
thanks to all for the support ^^
even if it's "just" a like =)

when i posted on the forum, I feared that the post would get nothing but hate. I'm really happy ^^

Happy too, for seeing that the dream of what EvE could be is still there!
It really motivate me ^^
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2017-07-20 11:47:41 UTC
There's a thread in the new forums called Captain Quarter Screenshots. Basically a thread to post screenshots of your character in the Captains Quarters :
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/captain-quarter-screenshots/10431

I suggest all Pro-WiS players post in it as well as the Dev Blog thread announcing the removal of the Captains Quarters :
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/devblog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-captain-s-quarters-twitch-integration/9940

Course there's Anti-WiS players trolling the threads as well..



DMC
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-07-21 05:33:40 UTC
Umbre Fallenstar wrote:
I agree, people seem to think that, if you want WiS, you want a life simulator, aka, changing the core of the game. But for me it's not the case.

And I also agree that star citizen will damage EvE, even if SC is a failure. because it gave dreams for many peoples. And I have many friends who didn't played EvE, just because they could not "feel" their character and felt limited by the hull of their ship, like it was some kind of prison for them.



I agree and disagree slightly, it's not so much that star citizen gave people dreams, it's the fact that that game is including stuff that should have been out in this game ten years ago and people have wanted for ten years.
People are going yeah why didn't ccp do this already and realizing it's CCP at fault not the core idea.
It's 2017, SC is slowky turning into what the modern eve should have been by now after 15 years of updates and expansions. It's capturing the RPG aspect if the mmorog that Eve has always lacked in a certain way.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2017-07-21 05:39:03 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
There's a thread in the new forums called Captain Quarter Screenshots. Basically a thread to post screenshots of your character in the Captains Quarters :
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/captain-quarter-screenshots/10431

I suggest all Pro-WiS players post in it as well as the Dev Blog thread announcing the removal of the Captains Quarters :
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/devblog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-captain-s-quarters-twitch-integration/9940

Course there's Anti-WiS players trolling the threads as well..



DMC

Well **** me it's on the neueforums.
I'll hate myself for doing it but I might have to go there and get in on that even if neueforums are cancer incarnate.
Can't pass up an opportunity to space Barbie it up.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2017-07-21 06:56:02 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
There's a thread in the new forums called Captain Quarter Screenshots. Basically a thread to post screenshots of your character in the Captains Quarters :
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/captain-quarter-screenshots/10431

I suggest all Pro-WiS players post in it as well as the Dev Blog thread announcing the removal of the Captains Quarters :
https://meta.eveonline.com/t/devblog-preparing-for-the-future-retirement-of-captain-s-quarters-twitch-integration/9940

Course there's Anti-WiS players trolling the threads as well..



DMC

Well **** me it's on the neueforums.
I'll hate myself for doing it but I might have to go there and get in on that even if neueforums are cancer incarnate.
Can't pass up an opportunity to space Barbie it up.

Yeah, the new forums are a bit confusing with threads having endless scrolling but the good thing about it is when you click on a thread previously visited by you, it will automatically take you to where you were the last time you left it. I'm not happy that spam gifs are being allowed, definitely takes much longer to read a thread. The actual layout isn't too bad if you go to settings and select the wide viewing option. Course it's a shame character portraits are presented as small little indistinguishable pictures, hopefully sometime in the future CCP will be inclined to enlarge them.

I will definitely miss these old forums and it's unfortunate that CCP want's to close them down. There's been a lot of good info shared here with the community. Hopefully that info is transferred to the new forums so everyone can benefit from it..

Anyway, I hope to see you and all the others who dislike the new forums (that includes me) over there doing what we do best, being an active member of the Eve Online community.


DMC
Lee Adaama
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-07-21 08:23:39 UTC
Absolute support for this! +1 billion.
Umbre Fallenstar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2017-07-21 10:25:04 UTC
Second day we keep at top position in the forum list ^^

I'm actually really happy to see this happening, I'm happy to see that WiS is still a dream that can come true for some of us ^^

And even when people are against it, there is often a "if it was done right, i would use it/could be cool"

not all hope is lost ^^


thanks everyone :)
AnakieNine
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2017-07-22 23:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: AnakieNine
+1.

100% support this. It is all about immersion and CCP has lost the dream.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw
Umbre Fallenstar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2017-07-23 01:46:41 UTC
AnakieNine wrote:


100% support this. It is all about immersion and CCP has lost the dream.



I'm don't think that they have "lost the dream", otherwise they would not attempt things like valkiries, nova, gunjack, spark, etc


I think they are just waiting for the right time to try it again.