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srly? 1500m for a old plex?
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permion
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2017-07-10 23:40:15 UTC
Of course people are buying up plex. It's one of the few items in the game that keeps value against inflation.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#22 - 2017-07-11 08:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Regulus Scyssor wrote:
Miniplex brings a infernal volatility to monthly payment. It is very easy for a miniplex to raise a million in the market, but that is equivalent to raising 500 million the monthly game lisence, the worst of all is that nothing tells us that the plex is not going to raise another million in a couple of months

The obvious solution is devaluate plex, but I think another sugesttion: lower the number of plex necessary to pay a month of play, 300 or 350 maybe... Stability game is threatened if you add nerfs mechanics and plex high values


1) there is way too much ISK in the game.
2) everyone wants to play for free
-> profit (for plex sellers)

buy them now, they arent going to drop in price any time soon.
Marek Kanenald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2017-07-11 08:40:59 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Regulus Scyssor wrote:
Miniplex brings a infernal volatility to monthly payment. It is very easy for a miniplex to raise a million in the market, but that is equivalent to raising 500 million the monthly game lisence, the worst of all is that nothing tells us that the plex is not going to raise another million in a couple of months

The obvious solution is devaluate plex, but I think another sugesttion: lower the number of plex necessary to pay a month of play, 300 or 350 maybe... Stability game is threatened if you add nerfs mechanics and plex high values


1) there is way too much ISK in the game.
2) everyone wants to play for free
-> profit (for plex sellers)

buy them now, they arent going to drop in price any time soon.


But they WILL drop in price once the significant nerfs to carrier ratting are implemented.

It will take a while but closing the isk faucet will have an effect.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#24 - 2017-07-11 08:57:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
you think carriers are flooding eve with ISK? lmao.
eve has been oversaturated with ISK for years yet ratting carriers contribute very very little to it.
Regulus Scyssor
Libertalia.
#25 - 2017-07-28 10:01:59 UTC
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2017-07-28 10:13:50 UTC
All these threads about the PLEX price that are popping up here recently seem to have the premise that the PLEX price needs to be low. But I cannot see the reasoning behind this. Since none of the OPs in these threads ever explain it, I must be missing something fairly obvious. Could somebody explain this to me please: Why does the PLEX price need to be low?
Arcelian
0nus
#27 - 2017-07-28 11:20:21 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
All these threads about the PLEX price that are popping up here recently seem to have the premise that the PLEX price needs to be low. But I cannot see the reasoning behind this. Since none of the OPs in these threads ever explain it, I must be missing something fairly obvious. Could somebody explain this to me please: Why does the PLEX price need to be low?


It's generally a good thing when plex prices are low, because that means less established players are buying them to sell them on the market. More players=better for eve. But...the price keeps rising because supply is not meeting the demand, plus the hoarders play into that as well.

It's great for someone like me who doesn't use PLEX and pays by sub, bad for those that would rather grind than pay fifty cents a day (even less with multi-month subs) for hours of free entertainment.

I don't get why that $15 USD is such a barrier for entry, maybe I'm just privileged. If you really wanted to you could make a fleet of alphas and grind level 2 missions til you get enough cash for a 6 month sub.

Or, just open your wallet.
Gavin Tremlor
30plus
#28 - 2017-07-28 11:44:30 UTC

This is an outrage! I can't be expected to pay for my entertainment! Next you'll be be expecting me to pay a cable bill or to go to the movies!

I demand an equal share of everything. All PLEX should be forcibly taken from players that have more than 500 in their PLEX Vault and distributed freely to all other active accounts. Only then will life be fair. #MakeNewEdenGreatAgain #Feminism #NotMyFC

/end sarcasm
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2017-07-28 12:48:44 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
All these threads about the PLEX price that are popping up here recently seem to have the premise that the PLEX price needs to be low. But I cannot see the reasoning behind this. Since none of the OPs in these threads ever explain it, I must be missing something fairly obvious. Could somebody explain this to me please: Why does the PLEX price need to be low?


Because "I can't afford it now, and my income is entirely reliant on grinding. I've been playing for x-amount of years using only plex and so i'm entitled to continue using them forever"

obviously the problem is with the increase in plex prices, and not the manner in which they make their ISK.
I've found the people who complain the loudest and most often about it are either miners, or ratters, since both income streams are largely disconnected from the plex market. (mining is tied into the general market yes, but that step alone is so far away from it that the impacts are minimal)

rather than alter their play style, they see the only way forward as being to either grind more minerals (which keeps mineral prices low, hurting themselves, as well as keeping ship prices low which makes it harder for industrialists to make money)
or to rat more, which directly injects even more ISK into the economy, pushing the price of plex even further up.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2017-07-28 17:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Arcelian wrote:
I don't get why that $15 USD is such a barrier for entry, maybe I'm just privileged.

You probably are. I probably am. I'd say most if not all Eve players are - they have the luxury of having a gaming-capable computer, internet and electricity after all. I think paying a recurring fee is more of a psychological hurdle for most people who would even consider playing a spaceship game on the internet. That's why microtransactions work so well. People *feel* more in control when they can play the (supposedly) full game whenever they like, and only pay when they feel like it. Whether they actually do have more control that way is a different topic.

I do not believe that cheaper PLEX equals more players anyway, unless the price drops to a level easily sustainable even by casual, low SP players. And if they were that cheap, most people would just start plexing their accounts, and they would not stay that cheap for long. Way back in the day, when PLEX didn't exist, and players still traded game time codes for ISK on the forums, I was able to witness how this goes: I was playing other games back then, such as Archeage 2 and World of Warcraft, and I found a few people interested in Eve. So I brought them over from there. They did not want to pay for it, despite being perfectly capable of sustaining 15 bucks a month. So they tried to grind their way to a GTC, which was maybe 300M back then. They did this for a week, two weeks, maybe 3. One of them made it far enough to actually purchase his next month, but gave up on the one after that. It's just not fun, it's work. And not only that, for most people it's work they do so they can keep working for a few months, and they quickly realize it. And if they are unwilling to pay 15 bucks for the game, I reckon tha majority is not willing to work for a couple of months to become self-sufficient either.

Ultimately, I do not think that "I feel better not having to pay 15 bucks a month" beats "I want to make as much space-money as I can when selling 15 bucks worth of game time". Both are valid in their own right, and the rest is up to the free market.

Another problem I see there: Lower PLEX prices would potentially reduce the influx of PLEX into the game as well. Why would anyone in their right mind even sell a PLEX for let's say 500 or 300 million ISK? That's 15 bucks for what? A single not even expensively fit T2 Cruiser or a Battleship? In the end, you can't sustain prices that are low enough so that most players, especially new or casual ones can afford them every month. I know for sure that I would not want to part with 15 bucks for a few hundred million ISK. ISK is just worth too little nowadays.
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