Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Scan shielding rigs, each rig hides random modules from incoming scans (full rigging hides 99%, or something ridiculous like that, of your slots from each scan) or has a chance to block a scan and alert the target that they are being scanned

This is the exact opposite of what will happen.

You can already fit a Scram or a Warp Disruptor to a PvE ship, the reason few people do it is because it's not worth much as a tactic. The ship that's fit for PvP as opposed to PvE will be the one that wins the engagement. You being able to hold a PvPer on-field won't change that, the only reason he might want to run is if he's already losing the fight.

What this would basically do is hand PvPers a ship with a free mid-slot that they can then use for more tank/gank/support/another Warp Scram.

Oh and that's without even getting into the fundamental issues with giving a ship a free slot, and then forcing it to be one specific module, and a quite powerful and commonly used PvP module at that. You've even had to make this thing act weirdly in fleets and, for some weird reason, not stack with other modules even though *every other warp disruption device* stacks for you to think it might possibly be balanced...

IMO this is a very poorly thought out concept and would in no way achieve what you want it to achieve.

Is there anything stopping you from fitting a point at the moment? And if a free scram allows you to beat the bad guy, how can you not fight him off without holding him on grid?

I kind of think he meant "good pilots" in a moral sense. Not that that's any less absurd.

Um, don't need a free Point to be a good player, just be a good player.

The point is this:

Many ppl go around doing PVE and optimize the fit for PVE.
Many got ambushed, from newbies in high secs to veteran in null secs, and it is eve, you can like or not but it is the way it works today.

Now the problem is:
Any time a PVEer is attacked, today, they have now way to retaliate at all, they can just ty to flee.
If the PVE ship is stronger or the pilot is better than the PVPer, He cannot win anyway since the attacker can just warp away.
If the PVP tackle but cannot kill the PVE ship, just wait, keep him tackled, call in friends and he win.

In summary:
- if you are in a PVE fit you have no chance apart from run away
- if you are the PVP ship you have no fear, you can't lose you can only win
Is this fun? I think no.
A pirate that cannot lose is good game design?

That's the basis of my proposal for a built in warp disruptor, but other ideas are welcome as well.

Mri

The answer to this is to fit a Point or Scram to your ship if you want to catch the people who try to gank you. You're gaining something you should have to make a trade-off to do so.

Also, as *several* people have pointed out, this sort of thing benefits the PvPers more than the PvEers you're so desperate to hand an advantage to, because they now have an extra slot to play with to optimize their PvP fit, where as your PvE fit is just as likely to lose as before.

In short, if you want to kill people trying to gank your PvE ship then bite the bullet and fit a point, or don't complain that you got beaten at something you're not willing to make concessions to be good at.

I still see PVPer worried that PVE can bite them and no real proposal to give equal chance to players to compete.

First: PVPer optimze ships for PVP why PVEer shall sub-optimize their ship only to have a chance ?
Second: EVE is about risk, why PVPer have a large number of risk free-targets, especailly newbies, that can only try to run and have no chance to retaliate? This is not good PVP and it's bad new player experience
Third: you are right that freeing up a slot for PVPer make thing worse, but we can have other ideas to solve this problem, be creative!

Proposal TWO: If ship A scramble ship B then ship B can freely disrupt ship A as long as it is on Grid and within 20km range.
In this case we wont free any midslot.
Anything against this?

Mri

If you wanna bite then fit a bloody point to your ship...

You optimized for PvE so you shouldn't complain when you can't compete in PvP. This is basically wanting to have your cake and eat it too. A PvP pilot doesn't complain that they can't engage in PvE while they're roaming around looking for targets.

If you want to compromise then actually compromise instead of begging for a freebie module so you don't have to sacrifice anything for this advantage that you want.

There is no need to 'solve this problem' because it's not a problem. It's you not liking that you have to make a trade-off to hold and kill the guy trying to kill you... This could just as easily be some PvPer complaining that they have to give up tank or utility to fit a point, so they should get a free point because it's required for PvP, and the argument there would be just as ridiculous as the one you're presenting here.

okay, much about eve isn't fit or sp, its about mindset and intent. You get into your PVe ship and blap red x's where a Pvp'r sees you as just another red X. You are a risk free target not because of your fit but because someone drops on your grid you lack the pvp experience not to panic and spam warp while he burns your ship like a Faction spawn. Some fights are just the math who wins but sometimes its just who messes up first.

Its just pixels so have fun. Go burn a stack of frigates roaming and talk to people...GF and all. Look at cheep incursions fleets. You don't need uber ships or build in Points, just other pilots willing to fly with you and you can go where ever you damn well please. Add just one more pilot when you are running mission and blitzing them is quick; makes you a different target.

I hope this helps, Fly safe o7