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Anti-Goon mineral idea
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#21 - 2012-01-23 20:13:16 UTC
Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
I can't really say that I've put much thought into where my minerals go, what they're used to build and who they end up screwing over. I don't really care so long as they go out and ISK comes in. Why supply only one side of the war when you can supply both and profit?



You are absolutely right as long as you are neutral in the war.

But if you are a victim of the war and are supplying arms to your persecutor that seems a little off,

Someone breaks into your house and you yell, "wait stop! If you are going to kill me, here use my gun."

I get the OP's point I just don't see any way to actually make it work. You would need 80% of the traders in Jita on board to make any lasting effect. And even then market alts would be a very easy way around it.

And as others have said. Goons buy complete ships, they don't make much stuff themselves. There are far better ways for combat focused players to get rich than indy activity. NULL sec ratting, exploration, and wormhole raids, just to name a few.
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#22 - 2012-01-24 12:47:20 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Since returning to Eve about a month and a half ago I have had two retrievers ganked by goons while ice mining, and also have the upcoming hulkageddon to look forward to. Seeing as how I'm a high sec miner it is a very bad thing. I am not the type that knows anything about Eve politics, and I have no desire to join a corporation in a huge alliance. However, considering Eve's complexity I was thinking lately about a way to allow the little guys like myself to perhaps have some influence over some of the universe wide events in eve.

What lead me to what I'm about to suggest is the thought that if only Eve had a way to allow you to place restrictions on who bought your goods, the community as a whole could make life very difficult for public enemies. Of course with the avilablity of alts this would never be possible. Additionally I was trying to think of a way to use the Goons own disdain for mining against them.

My idea is to start a thread where known members of corporations or alliances who are active enemies of Goons and actively attacking them could post with their willingness to participate in the following. When a high sec miner like myself goes to sell, it would be nice if members of corps/alliance that are enemies of the goons had "want to buy" mineral contracts up on the market with reduced pay for minerals. They could perhaps label them "anti-goon minerals" or something similar.

Personally I probably bring in 100mil tritanium/20-30mil mexallon/30-50mil pyerite every month. I would happily sell my trit for 3.00, my mex for 40.00 and my pyerite for 3.50 IF I knew that they were going to be actively used against the goons.

I assume that once a member of the said corp or alliance posted in the thread that if they weren't truly enemies of the goons that it would come out quickly and someone would point it out. Once these people have posted and their names have been publicly verified, it would give high sec miners a place to go to look up what names are valid to sell to for contracts such as those.

So my questions are the following....

1) I have no idea how reliant large alliances are on minerals from high sec. If they really don't buy from high sec, then I guess this whole idea is pointless.

2) Are high sec minerals used much in capital ships/alliance warfare?

3) Do you think enough high sec miners would be willing to participate so that it actually had an effect? With hulkageddon coming up it would be nice to have some way to contribute to the cause if you're just a lil guy that ganked.

4) Do you think any of the enemies of the goons would be interested in something like this?


Just wanted to throw the idea out there.


I will buy all your underpriced minerals, and I once popped a goon cyno Kestrel, that makes me a legit anti goon. Contract to me wherever in empire.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-24 13:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: TheBlueMonkey
Firstly, join a renter corp, mine in 0.0

It'll be safer as you'll get intel some jumps out and have time to run and hide.

That or don't mine and do something that makes you more isk instead, like... erm... anything.

Failing all that, your idea won't work because of alts and apathy
Levija Saplina
Ken Interplanetary Communication
#24 - 2012-01-24 13:13:30 UTC
Hello,

If you want to send me a mail, I will direct you to someone who will buy all your minerals at under market vale. Not only will this hurt the goons, but it will also get you some nice isk.

And I can assure you this will also help you protect your hulk from suicide ganking.

Also please do let me know which system you will mine in, I will send a fleet to protect you.
Ehn Roh
#25 - 2012-01-31 22:42:33 UTC
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What lead me to what I'm about to suggest is the thought that if only Eve had a way to allow you to place restrictions on who bought your goods, the community as a whole could make life very difficult for public enemies. Of course with the avilablity of alts this would never be possible. Additionally I was trying to think of a way to use the Goons own disdain for mining against them.


You could simply stop selling anything at all.

But realistically, even if everyone did that, or even if everyone could boycott corps or alliances, it would not matter. Hisec mining - and production - and invention - and T2 production - is mostly irrelevant to those not living in hisec all the time.

A lot of miners who don't leave hisec don't seem to grasp this concept. People don't disdain mining, they disdain people who only mine, produce, and sell in hisec and then complain about gankers or not making enough money.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-02-01 07:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
And as others have said. Goons buy complete ships, they don't make much stuff themselves. There are far better ways for combat focused players to get rich than indy activity. NULL sec ratting, exploration, and wormhole raids, just to name a few.

As people have noticed, that isn't exactly completely true, in that there are industrial characters. They're just inefficient. They are alts though, as it needs a bit of specialization.

It's like the whole mining thing. Yes, we all have amazing awesome 100-man mining ops. But a bunch of people have dormant mining alts (from before, when they were efficient) and of course characters don't get dusty on these things. If I had a spare account lying around I might train up at least Retriever, but the drone region changes are far away enough no one would run out to buy 10 hulks in preparation.

Similar with making ships, though you'd have to gauge the whole mineral cost (and importing minerals) vs importing a whole hull etc. Right now I think the isk CONCORD prints for us when we kill rats is better on the time/effort : isk ratio.

Ratting Drakes forever!
Ehn Roh wrote:
A lot of miners who don't leave hisec don't seem to grasp this concept. People don't disdain mining, they disdain people who only mine, produce, and sell in hisec and then complain about gankers or not making enough money.

You understand this pretty well.

This means you're a secret goon, alt etc etc ....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#27 - 2012-02-01 14:30:57 UTC
The best protection against giefers and wannabies is -> being 0sec dweller... and if ure renting space - means noone expects your corp to field titans and you can fight in sov warfare for lolz and not obligations...

If u mine in quiet blue system youll have all info about approaching danger and probably fleet to react and stop it. And you can hop into a pvp ship and try to give them hard time as well... dont try stupidities like selling underpriced minerals... it just wont work...

As of wars -> i hardly ever notice wars. I check once in 2 weeks prior to shopping in empire. Other then that there is little to no reason to go to hisec, actually... skillbooks once in a while and when i lose T2 ships which we cant produce in null, maybe

I.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#28 - 2012-02-02 04:17:13 UTC
Lets say everyone wanted to help you on this idea. (( not going to happen but for kicks ))

Goon sees your operation.

They make an alt indy corp that says it's anti goon.

They post more contracts for your ore then anyone else.

Massive amounts of your ore go to building goon ships that they continue to gank you with.

FAIL
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