EVE General Discussion

I run a corp based on misanthropic principles. One man, one goal. No one else matters.

Mr Epeen

That's right, and there's lots of ways to make it fun, depending on what one finds interesting. Now run along, I'm sure there's some children somewhere you need to be shushing.

Just play the game and see what kind of corp you can come up with.

But don't expect any of these to stop you from getting shot at, and don't expect other players to be nice to you about it. Eve Online is drama-filled, full of backstabbings, competition, warfare and really stupid arguments and a ton of propaganda (especially in null). Even if everyone is a capitalist, there will be no shortage of conflict in Eve Online.

Just because everyone believes in the same thing doesn't mean they are going to like each other. If my experience playing this game taught me anything, it is that no matter what side you are on, you are not on the 'right' side (or even the 'left' side), just the side you agree with and/or kinda like. And the other guys may not like your side, for various reasons, so there will always be conflict.

Is Piratism a political/economic ideology?

There are a bunch of pacifist corps (NRDS) around, and small (often WH) corps who are basing out of a single POS basically have shared assets/ships, so could be considered communist.

Nicely put :)
Ultra christians means, in fact, fanatics. Even worse, religious fanatics :)
So that would be why no one knows who owns Eve Online? Wikipedia has something, but not enough.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCP_Games
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_Partners

It's weird (or is it about a hidden agenda?!) when you come to think that everyone knows who owns Facebook, Microsoft, Apple or Google. And they are much bigger than Eve! So dear CCP, what are you hiding, what are you NOT saying?

And why would some ultra christians make Eve in Island, when this country has nothing to do with christianity?

I can think of two examples:

The first is the alliance CVA. They're a roleplaying alliance based on Amarr and Amarrian religion, and they reflect this through their governance of the null sec region of Providence according to the uncommon NRDS (Not Red, Don't Shoot) doctrine. This means that they welcome strangers and unaligned people into their sovereign space, running it sort of like an extension of the Amarr Empire where everyone who follows the rules / is not affiliated with proscribed organisations can operate.

The second is Signal Cartel. These are people who act according to the ideals of friendly explorers / scouts: they don't initiate aggression, they don't engage in thefts or scams, and they try to remain neutral in conflicts. They do things like setting up supply caches in wormhole space to help anyone who might become stranded there, and I believe they do other search and rescue type stuff as well.

It is completely wrong to describe the gank culture as nihilistic.

As the most effective, powerful and influential organization in highsec, the New Order of Highsec is the opposite of "rejecting all religious and moral principles in the belief that life is meaningless". We have strong moral principles in the form of the Code, we believe that every player has a responsibility to be a good citizen of highsec by following the Code and we even have a Savior, James 315.

In fact, we are often accused by the true nihilists, the highsec miners, of being TOO focused on our principles. They spend their days NOT playing the game, AFKing in the minefields, all to gain ISK that they don't even spend to pvp. All the while rejecting the New Halaima Code of Conduct, specifically written to save their lives and give them purpose.

Talk about meaningless lives...

Yes, Signal Cartel is very interesting, especially with their supply caches; belief manifested through action to benefit some other, random person. That is common with a lot of religions (and symbols without action don't amount to Christianity, either through work or grace).

Thanks for the info on CVA, I didn't realize NRDS went so deep with them, not just thoughtful but thought through.

Code seems to me just some hand-waving to make blowing **** up sound like some kind of high concept when it's the most ordinary thing in EVE. That and property. Same old same old.

The design of EVE makes blowing **** up and property the default setting, but if the ideas of the sandbox and "Content Creation" mean anything other than buzzwords, then there are other setting players can choose. Those choices interest me. Signal and CVA choose not to blow **** up (at least as the default setting). There's plenty of solo players who eschew property (by that I mean EVE's version of real estate, the thing you used to have to own in order to vote) and go the nomad root. Does anyone know if there are any nomadic player corps? Or has anyone tried a potlatch economy on a small scale?

EVE is from the bible at the first place. Almost 80 % of the people in Iceland are christians btw.

This game is filled with biblebs.

O, I think it's really rather straightforward. EVE Online is about greed. Greed for: Power, Attention, Money, Social Interaction, Social Isolation, etc., (I'm sure other players can extend the list) - and greed for the proof that these things have been acquired.

It doesn't matter which ideology you identify, base human drives will be in there somewhere. Don't make the mistake of creating an exception for CVA/Signal Cartel; greed for being known for the performance of righteous acts, or being associated with them, is still greed - unless the actor is indistinguishable from the rest of the player base (no Corp/Alliance ID), then it isn't public greed.

As a side note, ideologies require leaders in order to prosper. Good luck finding more than a few principled, effective and consistent leaders in EVE Online!

It has been alleged that a CCP memo from long ago contained the words 'Greed is good'. If true, it displays a very perceptive take on what really drives the game - and perhaps the game's designers, too.