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Special Edition Ships need insurance fixed
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StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Strategics
#1 - 2017-06-23 22:36:31 UTC
While this may be an alternative for translating an entire series of special edition ships over into the non empire category of each ships respective class, I propose that the insurance be fixed on them and give proper payouts according to their estimated market value. I know some may disagree with on this but this is something that can easily be fixed, and I feel certain that others will enjoy the fact they can ensure their more fancier top of the line vessels in case they need replacement. So who thinks this is a good idea
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2017-06-23 23:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
A few things;

- no ship has insurance based on market value.
Why? End-product market value can be manipulated too easily. Plus, insurance is not supposed to take the pain out losing a ship... merely soften it.

- ship insurance is based on average market mineral value (non-moon materials).
Why? Mineral value moves MUCH more slowly relative to end-products. And again, the insurance system is not supposed to reimburse the full cost of your ship BY DESIGN.

- Tech 2, Tech 3, Faction, and Pirate ships do not get full insurance because their value based on factors other than minerals.
Why? A balancing factor behind more expensive ships is that you pay out of the ass for that performance increase. That also means you will not recoup if/when it dies.
Why? Bcause the insurance system was designed to assist relative newbies and poorer players to become involved in PvP. If you are buying "special" ships, you are neither a newbie, nor poor.

- I would put "Special Edition Ships" in the same category as T2/T3/Faction/Pirate.
They are "special." You should be treating them as such. Not expecting reimbursements because you did a "dumb."


Now I am going to go on a limb and assume that your focus is more specifically on the Sunries and Gnosis.
While these ships are relatively "newbie friendly" compared to some other ships... they are, for all intents and purposes, **special** ships and are not an intergal part of the EVE ecosystem.



A better idea (which would require a separate topic) would be to petition that the Sunres and Gnosis be made into actual, producable ships.
This way they would be treated like every other Tech 1 ship in terms of insurance.

How did you Veterans start?
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#3 - 2017-06-24 00:21:48 UTC
What's the 'proper' value of a special addition ship?

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Strategics
#4 - 2017-06-24 04:41:36 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
A few things;

- no ship has insurance based on market value.
Why? End-product market value can be manipulated too easily. Plus, insurance is not supposed to take the pain out losing a ship... merely soften it.

- ship insurance is based on average market mineral value (non-moon materials).
Why? Mineral value moves MUCH more slowly relative to end-products. And again, the insurance system is not supposed to reimburse the full cost of your ship BY DESIGN.

- Tech 2, Tech 3, Faction, and Pirate ships do not get full insurance because their value based on factors other than minerals.
Why? A balancing factor behind more expensive ships is that you pay out of the ass for that performance increase. That also means you will not recoup if/when it dies.
Why? Bcause the insurance system was designed to assist relative newbies and poorer players to become involved in PvP. If you are buying "special" ships, you are neither a newbie, nor poor.

- I would put "Special Edition Ships" in the same category as T2/T3/Faction/Pirate.
They are "special." You should be treating them as such. Not expecting reimbursements because you did a "dumb."


Now I am going to go on a limb and assume that your focus is more specifically on the Sunries and Gnosis.
While these ships are relatively "newbie friendly" compared to some other ships... they are, for all intents and purposes, **special** ships and are not an intergal part of the EVE ecosystem.



A better idea (which would require a separate topic) would be to petition that the Sunres and Gnosis be made into actual, producable ships.
This way they would be treated like every other Tech 1 ship in terms of insurance.


Well I'd figure it be easier for the programmers to do proper insurance on some special edition ships rather than going through all the shenanigans of transferring them each into each respective category. It was either this or suggesting that SoCT ships and the primae get added into the non-empire category of their ship size but i didn't want to seem the person playing favorite, plus if its the lazier idea, people will more likely take it. Of course having them in the non-empire category would warrant the nessecary blueprints to be designed, severely affecting the overall value of the ship itself so give or take that sort of thing is a given
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#5 - 2017-06-24 11:42:12 UTC
The Gnosis is a gift ship. It's given out by CCP en mass. If it had normal insurance, it would make ISK out of nowhere. The reason for the bad insurance is to preserve the economy.

So no full insurance.

Wormholer for life.
Marek Kanenald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2017-06-24 12:18:14 UTC
>Sell ship to self for 1 trillion isk
>Insure ship at 1 trillion isk value
>Blow up own ship
>profit
StarterrorPrime
Black Rose Fleet Strategics
#7 - 2017-06-24 15:07:01 UTC
Wander Prian wrote:
The Gnosis is a gift ship. It's given out by CCP en mass. If it had normal insurance, it would make ISK out of nowhere. The reason for the bad insurance is to preserve the economy.

So no full insurance.


Meh, still kind of wish they had legit BPOs