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Dear CCP, you are doing it wrong,

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Dotar Sojat
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-06-23 01:13:37 UTC
Krysenth wrote:
Dotar Sojat wrote:
the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.

So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.

Of course not, don't be silly.
But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2017-06-23 19:25:30 UTC
Krysenth wrote:
Dotar Sojat wrote:
the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.

So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.


Whoops!

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2017-06-23 19:26:33 UTC
Dotar Sojat wrote:
Krysenth wrote:
Dotar Sojat wrote:
the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.

So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.

Of course not, don't be silly.
But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk.


Can we say: retropection bias?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#24 - 2017-06-23 21:52:43 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dotar Sojat wrote:
Krysenth wrote:
Dotar Sojat wrote:
the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.

So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.

Of course not, don't be silly.
But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk.


Can we say: retropection bias?
How's this for retrospection bias:

I remember when there was no PLEX and I liked it way better than what we have today.

Mr Epeen Cool
Aeryn Maricadie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2017-06-23 21:53:41 UTC
Dotar Sojat wrote:
Krysenth wrote:
Dotar Sojat wrote:
the weak and lazy to use real world currency to exploit the game mechanic of having to earn what you have in this wonderful sandbox.

So.... does that include subscriptions paid with real currency? If so, doesnt that just make your ranting the nonsensical ramblings of a madman? I mean... no sub used to mean no playing.

Of course not, don't be silly.
But since you brought it up, there was a time when plexing up each month actually meant something,you strove to achieve your goals utilizing strictly in game tools and if you were successful you could purchase a plex and sub your account by succeeding within the sandbox, you won that month through your acumen of endeavors, as it should be and never by cheating by doing things like buying isk.

I never understood this concept, why spend craptons of your time grinding isk to buy your sub when you could just buy it with real money which is earned with far less time investment? I think that a lot of people don't understand what a currency is. Currency is a representation of value but does not hold any value of its own. The value that currency measures is time, because our time is the most precious thing we have, that we always lose, and will never regain. Our recognition of this can be seen by how people breakdown earnings by units of currency/per hour.

The USD or ISK that buys a Plex is currency. USD and ISK have no other purpose than to represent value, they do not have value on their own. Plex on the other hand is a commodity, its value is derived from its use, just because some people may conduct trade with plex instead of currency does not make plex a currency.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#26 - 2017-06-23 22:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
There's more salt here than a bag of lays classic potato chips.

If you like salt, you'll probably like lays.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
#27 - 2017-06-24 01:04:01 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
ModusOperandi wrote:
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I introduced a friend to the game recently, he dropped a ton of cash, and overnight had a character that outskilled me after 10+ years of playing. Do I really care? not in the grand scheme of things, but it IS very disheartening, and it makes me not care anymore. It takes something that had meaning, and makes a joke of it. That's what bothers me.....



Bolded the crucial bit.
The real joke is that you thought progression in a computer game had meaning.
This -probably fictional- friend you mentioned cannot buy the knowledge or connections you should have accumulated during ten years of play, cannot be given them.
For such an ostensibly hyper-capitalistic game, EvE sure shows how social connections are more important than (and the best way to get to) money and power.






Of course I am referring "meaning" in the context of a video game. I currently work in Afghanistan, trust me, I have more important things on my mind than EVE. However, within the context of the game, it does have the affect of cheapening something that was once earned.

And of course you are correct that he lacks the experience to put his new skills to proper use, but any halfway intelligent person can learn those things fairly quickly. This game is not THAT hard.

And I don't know why you would suggest that I made up such a story, it's quite common for adults with disposable income to do exactly what I described.
Raffael Ramirez
Alcohol Fuelled
#28 - 2017-06-26 06:32:30 UTC
Yeah I really believe that making everything for sale also made it meaningless. PLEX and then the Skill extractors/injectors is another way to squeeze the last $ out of the TQ server population. As someone said before - why spend time in EVE making money when you can make more money in the real world and so finance your time in EVE - this leads to less time spent online - less player interaction- general apathy. Why bother doing something if whoever has more RL cash always wins?

Sure you need some skills to play the game and be good at it but to be honest skill doesn't matter when you can field 20-100, 40 day old carrier pilots. Problem in EVE always was that it scales up really well.


But to operate a game like EVE for so long with success probably needs radical changes to attract new customers. I am under no illusion that the hardcore group of players this game started with could not have financed the rise of CCP as we have seen it, but the opposite is also true. I don't believe that the vast majority of the players today would even be interested in playing the first couple of iterations of EVE.

EVE is always changing that was true from the beginning - not everything was positive in my opinion but that this game survived for this long is a testament to its success.

Long may it last.
Krima Sumyungi
Makavi Industries
#29 - 2017-07-12 11:15:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Krima Sumyungi
There should only be one ingame currency and that's ISK. Subs, injectors and other store crap, etc should be bought with paypal/credit card. Leave the welfare and food stamps for other games to use.
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