Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello Everyone

While i currently are quite pleased with the state of most BC's and BS's i still feel there is something missing in the lines.

What i would love to see implemented is BattleCruiser versions of the Disruption cruisers and a cohesive line of Disruption Battleships For me the introduction of 1 additional battlecruiser for each race, and the rework of 2 of the battleships into disruption battleships would stream out the line.

I'm thinking something in the line of:

Amarr

Battlecruiser
Combat: Harbinger
Combat: Prophecy
Attack: Oracle
Disruption: Bishop (Holy title) (Details See Below)

Battleship
Combat: Abaddon
Attack: Apocallypse
Disruption: Armageddon

Bishop:
Slot Layout: 4 High, 3 Turret, 3 Missile, 5 mid, 7 low, 3 rig (50 mbit, 150 m3)

Amarr battlecruiser bonuses (Per skill level):
7.5% Tracking disrupter effectiveness
10% bonus to drone damage, hit points and mining yield

Role Bonuses:
Can use one Command burst Module
1% bonus to Information command burst strength and duration

Caldari

Battlecruiser
Combat Drake
Combat Ferox
Attack Naga
Disruption Peregrine (a type of falcon) (Details see below)

Battleship
Combat Rokh
Attack Raven
Disruption Scorpion

Peregrine
Slot Layout: 4 High, 3 Turret, 3 Missile, 7 mid, 5 low, 3 rig (25 mbit, 50 m3)

Caldari battlecruiser bonuses (Per skill level):
15% bonus to ECM Target Jammer Strength
12.5% bonus to ECM Target Jammer optimal range and falloff

Role Bonuses:
Can use one Command burst Module
1% bonus to Information command burst strength and duration

Gallente

Battlecruiser
Combat Brutix
Combat Myrmidon
Attack Talos
Disruption: Cuneus (4th century roman unit)(Details See Below)

Battleship
Combat: Hyperion
Attack: Megathron
Disruption: Dominix

Cuneus:
Slot Layout: 4 High, 3 Turret, 5 mid, 7 low, 3 rig (75 mbit, 225 m3)

Gallente battlecruiser bonuses (Per skill level):
10% bonus to drone damage, hit points and mining yield
7.5% bonus to remote sensordampener effectiveness, Optimal Range and Falloff

Role Bonuses:
Can use one Command burst Module
1% bonus to Information command burst strength and duration

Dominix
New bonuses:
10% to Drone Hit point and Damage
7.5% bonus to remote sensordampener effectiveness, Optimal Range and Falloff

Minmater

Battlecruiser
Combat Hurricane
Combat Cyclone
Attack Tornado
Disruption: Derecho (Fastmoveing group of severe thunderstorms) (Details see below)

Battleship
Combat: Maelstrom
Attack: Tempest
Disruption: Typhoon


Derecho
Slot Layout: 5 High, 1 Turret, 4 Missile, 6 mid, 5 low, 3 rig (40 mbit, 80 m3)

Minmater battlecruiser bonuses (Per skill level):
5% bonus to Rapid Light missile, Heavy missile and Heavy assault missile launcher rate of Fire
7.5% Bonus to Target Painter Effectiveness

Role Bonuses:
Can use one Command burst Module
1% bonus to Information command burst strength and duration

Typhoon
New Bonuses
5% bonus to Rapid Heavy missile, Cruise missile and Torpedo launcher Rate of Fire
7.5% bonus to Target Painter Effectiveness

Not against disruptor battleships but don't you dare make the domi one. The hyp is the battleship thats barely used that was shoe horned into a role with the last balance pass.

Disruption bc's are meh. Not much difference between them and cruisers (some of them are copies with just a bigger drone bay). Not feeling it.

the only way i could see this working is if the cruisers were made as sub-cap disrupters and BC made to be capital disrupters. but under the current mechanic both sub-caps and capitals can be disrupted by cruisers.

You have t2 to progress to. You don't beed progression of everything to infinity, like there is no tackling battleship and there doesn't need to be.

Bear in mind scorps don't see huge use. This is because e-war does not scale with size. A griffins e-war is as strong as a scorps e-war. Like wise a maulus' damps would be as strong as damps on a damp bonused hyp. It's generally more effective to use smaller ships in e-war because they can avoid fire for longer. There isn't a lot if scenarios where these will be useful otherwise scorps would be everywhere already (the most useful e-war with massive range). And doing both bc's and battleships is overkill.

The exception is the geddon, because neuts do scale with size.

When the bs's were rebalanced and people expressed a desire for more disruption battleships, ccp rise mentioned that they'd sooner release new bs's for disruption bs's than transform existing ones into disruption. I don't agree myself.

If people wanted to fly big E-War ships we would see more Scorpions around?

If we saw more BS fleets you actually might.
It's hard to say if that's 'people don't want BS sized ewar' or 'People don't fly BS fleets' when BS fleets are so unpopular in the meta for most things (Citadel sieges in Null are a different affair to most things obviously).

Currently people misconcept that scorpion is the only disruption class bs, the armageddon, and Bhaalgorn are also "disruption" how many of those do you see flying around?

So yes, i do think that with more choices you would see more of them

You see them (scorp/geddon/bhaal) get a lot of use in WH space and to a slightly lesser extent in HS. They don't get extensive use in LS and null because they get blapped by capital ships. No cyno's in wh space means they are free to do their thing w/out the worry of being blapped off the field. HS doesn't often have the organized pvp on a scale where they are relevant, so they don't get used there.

BS are on the pvp back burner because capitals wonk them like bon bons at a sorority sleepover. BC suffer the same signature issues. Just big enough that a capital and wonk them and not quite big enough to do anything of value to a capital fleet.

How useful is a target painter being applied to a capital ship? Webs? LS/null will never be good proving grounds for a BC/BS sized signature that has webbing and painting as their super powers unless you get rid of cynos (which isn't going to happen).

As someone already pointed out, that is because neuts and cap reservoir scale with size, other ewar does not.