Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Any changes on this matter would be nice not sure CCP will do anything.

Terrible, no i would have to disagree with you on that. Realistically you are over estimating the effect a change to belts would effect EVE.

There is a huge difference between the minerals mined and minerals available in eve. You can look at any monthly economic report and see where and how much mining activity is happening and adapt to where isn't being mined out.

The good players would adapt to being a mobile strip mining fleet. The risk vs reward would drastically improve for miners. This doesn't affect anomalies spawns and doesn't totally eliminate belts. The amount of Cached minerals currently would more then cover any bump in the market and there has been mention of moon mining also adding ABC ore to the mix.

This totally would be a win/win for the Economy. The amount of available minerals and produced items compared to destroyed has been sitting at a ratio of 4 to 1 for years. Mining could come to a screeching halt and it would be years before you would have issues reshipping. Give it some more thought and look over the data or just look for mined out belts.

This would be a good start to a healthy thriving economy.

Horrible idea.

The pew, pew crowd seem obsessed with the idea that everyone playing EVE wants to pvp or should pvp and if we make the game that way we will lose playerbase because the first is a very poor assumption and the second reduces the different styles of game play that people can choose from making everything you do in eve more and more alike until you basically are left with different names for ships but they result in nearly identical game play, which will make the game redundant and stale.

Also, setting things to benefit specific time zones is just about the worst idea possible (although i must admit even CCP doesnt seem to realize this sometimes).

p.s. will a forum moderate please make a trash can for all these, 'making mining better suggestions' and dump them all there so they don't clutter up the forums.

Main reason your idea is terrible.
It gives too much advantage to specific days of the week.

Also, fact check.
The Drone alloy removal was part of gun mining, with CCP wanting to put the emphasis on miners producing minerals, not ratters producing their own minerals. it was nothing to do with reducing mineral supply.
Reprocessing change actually INCREASED the minerals you got if you had full skills and a proper facility.

In short, learn the actual reasons why stuff happened and the impact they actually had, before talking out your ass.

Its cool. There's a difference between fact checking and being there. I enjoyed Drone alloys as well as mining. Future changes will be enjoyable. So here is to my ass.

Many changes DID reduce the amount of minerals available on the market I know that cause I dealt with it. My first Battleship hull cost under 90 mil. Older character remember when they cost 5 times that much and were rare. Its all perspective.

Thanks k you for your time. It's moments like this that makes Eve enjoyable.

Again. I will take another look at the data. I could be incorrect and letting peoples wine threads overshadow the data. Eve is dying tl/dr.

My main has 91,719,863 skill points and generates 1,448.71 skill points an hour. He is skilled for industry and up to capital pvp. With skill extractors, I can burn him down to a 10 million skill point Orca character and generate 8 Mackinaw exhumer toons mining 577.6k m3/ an hour and remap all characters for Skill point farming.

I then use all those minerals and farmed Skill points to create a 9 man Rorqual Fleet that generates 8,019k M3/ an hour while farming skill points and add a cyno alt that is also remapped for skill point farming. Isk and Minerals are irrelevant at that point. Delve produced 6.7 T worth of minerals with some approach like this I would guess. Typical mining for other regions is around 1T isk but that would easily spike with this gameplay.

When I first started playing was right before the Dominion release, the Mineral Price index was at a record low of 60 and Primary and Secondary Price market indexes were 80. The price for Trit was around 3.3 to 4.5 isk a unit. I have watched it rise ever since. I played a Gallente industry toon non-botting living in Lonetrek when botting was rampant. It was one of the deciding factors why I left Caldari space for Syndicate.

Make mining to break the game take some effort again. The Ice Harvesting changes from Odyssey is a good approach that could be taken with Ore.
-Reduce belt yield by 77%
-Increase chance of Ore Anomalies by 33%
-Increase chance of {Shattered} C1-C2 Worm holes by 33%

First things first, your SP doesn't matter. My alt has more SP than your main and that doesn't matter.

Stripping down a character like that and then mining and SP-farming to build Rorqual characters would be hilariously inefficient in terms of time and would take you months to even get the first pilot into a Rorqual.

Delve produced 6.7T in minerals last month because they have a bunch of high end industrialists who simply bought or injected a bunch of Rorqual characters, many of whom have been mining 12-18 hours a day for months. To put it bluntly your method is inefficient compared to the way they've done things because they had the capital to simply buy up thousands of Skill Injectors and build dozens of Rorqual miners in a matter of days.



I'm honestly not sure what your point here is. The main things impacting the price of minerals has always been inflation combined with demand. A large chunk of the reason for the rise in the price of minerals over the last 10 years has been the slow increase in the liquid ISK supply in the game.

You probably aren't aware since it was a bit before your time but Shuttles used to be sold for 5k ISK by NPCs. Then the price of Trit got high enough that it was profitable to buy up those shuttles en-mass, reprocess them, and sell the Trit for profit. The price of minerals has been going up more or less continuously since then, and really even before then.



I really have no idea what you think this is going to do.

The vast majority of that 6.7t in mining down in Delve is done in Anomalies. They're more stable, more lucrative, and easy to farm compared to belts. That's why CCP is nerfing their respawn times so that 40-man Rorqual fleets can't just bounce from Colossal to Colossal all day every half hour.

Also "chance of shattered wormholes" doesn't make sense as a concept. There is a fixed and static number of Shattered Wormhole systems in the game, there is no "chance of shattered wormhole" parameter anywhere.



I am thinking, based on the above, that you have some kind of assumptions about the mineral economy in Eve and how it works that are massively incorrect, but unless you explain it better I'm really at a loss to where the disconnect is here. Just the fact that you're suggesting *increasing* Anom spawns would somehow generate scarcity suggests you have no idea how Sov Null mining operations work, but I'm not really sure what information you're missing here.

Yes, back when you started things were a lot cheaper, but back then it was also a lot harder to get ISK so prices were forced lower by the reduced money supply. Back around 2010 60m an hour in raw ISK was considered good income for the average player, these days you can pull that off with an account that's 3-4 months old. Less if you're clever.

I also think you're overestimating the prevalence of bots in Eve. Yes they're a thing, they'll always be a thing to some extent, but the percentage is actually pretty small and CCP go through and ban them and all associated accounts every so often which keeps the problem in check. Also inflation isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's all about balance in the economy and the earnings capacity of various groups in relation to each other. The economy was arguably less healthy back in 2010 when PLEX was 400m each and hard to afford than now when it's 1.3b for a month's worth but it's really easy to even PLEX multiple accounts off of one character's Incursion or Carrier Ratting activity.

Regarding ISK, the number you want to be watching is the money supply, not the faucets and sinks. Don't get me wrong, Carrier Ratting is a problem, but the scale of the graph is deceptive. As to why it hasn't been fixed, that's because it's hard to fix it without hurting a lot of players who have little or nothing to do with that spike in raw ISK input, and CCP's recent attempts at point-nerfs have been less than spectacularly received if you haven't noticed.

Destruction of ships has no effect on inflation. Inflation is driven by ISK sinks and faucets, removing ships from the game doesn't actually destroy ISK just minerals.

Also Ghost Training was a relatively recent problem, the reason it's gotten so much attention is because a few people started up hundreds of accounts and made tons of ISK off it.

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In short, seriously none of this is as big of an issue as you seem to think it is. The Eve Economy is, overall, relatively healthy. Right now it's hit a bit of a rough patch because of a large influx of minerals and ISK due to Citadel balance changes, but both of these are relatively recent problems and haven't started to have a seriously negative impact yet outside of a few areas, and those will likely bounce back quickly once the problems are resolved.

Thank you guys both for helping me shake off some of the old eve baggage. Eve has always been a Layer cake depending on your grasp of things. I've done well over the years despite not being all in. Eve's always felt like it was going tin two separate directions.