Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know EVE Online is run on some SERIOUS hardware. That being a military grade super-computer (http://www.pcgamer.com/eve-online-1/)

However I'd like to have an open discussion with the community, and with CCP about how we can achieve this great goal together. I'm a fairly newer player, and didn't have to deal with the insanity of the large scale fights that older players endured. That being said, I really like how the game has progressed (Albeit many will disagree with that) and i'd like to discuss if it would ever be possible to have gameplay without the Time Dilation in effect. ?

First off, is it possible at all? if so then..
What additional hardware is needed?
What are the financial costs?
How many nodes would have to be upgraded?
How long would it take? (If it takes 2 years, give us a roadmap, and update us throughout)
How can we help you achieve this?
etc etc etc

I would personally start a campaign to raise the funds to achieve this, so long as this is made priority as well as a priority on citizen science like project discoveries "ExoPlanets"

I believe we can achieve this together, and make this more than a game, we can make this the first concept in mans voyage to the stars.

I want this game (Honestly ANY game) that can encourage people & get them excited about space exploration and space colonization to do well, continue to grow and flourish and reach as many people as possible.
I believe EVE can be that game. Not to mention the business skills, communications skills, conflict resolution, goal setting, immense failure and trying again, and much more I believe EVE like many games can make a better world.

The principles first found me in a video by a women named Jane McGonigals Ted Talk "Gaming can change the world" which led me the scientific literature and other sources that indeed confirmed, gaming has a profound impact on our brains development. Action games leading to better eyesight, puzzle and complex games leading to greater grey matter development and much much more !

This is purely for discussion and brainstorming the possibilities for the future, it may not be possible at all until many many years in the future with new technology. However technology is advancing rapidly, it may come sooner than we think.

Here's a reddit thread with some existing thoughts and discussion to build upon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/55luf2/when_will_time_dilation_be_a_thing_of_the_past/

Interesting. That's unfortunate. I dabble in the subject matter, but in no way an expert. I suppose even the advancement into 32 core 64 thread processors would be ineffective as you have described. I suspect it would require a complete rewrite of the code. Perhaps we will be blessed with a faster clock speed server grade processor in the near future or a larger development team down the line to consider such drastic measures.

Thank you for your input.

Here's a devblog about the current hardware they are running on : https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/tranquility-tech-3/

The thing with us Eve-players is that every time CCP raises the performance, we just jam more people to the same system and complain that the game doesn't work.

EVE is a for-profit business, any talk of donating money to CCP is absolutely stupid. If CCP's engineers find a way to improve performance and consider the new hardware a good investment they can buy their own servers.

And you deciding how others spend their money is just as stupid. If I voluntarily choose to give money to a for profit company, and ask others to do the same, and they to choose voluntarily to give money, to acquire hardware faster than otherwise possible I will do just that.

You are free to do as you please with your money and your time. The question was very specific.

Money is not the issue. The core problem is the software need performance metrics that are barely getting development these days so upgrades are not available. The push for higher instruction per clock is done with parallelism in the industry but the software need more IPC without parallelism since the code does not support it. Fleet fight notification are used to get systems hosted on dedicated nodes and we still manage to cram it so full it slows down to a crawl if not borderline **** itself with module jamming and other similar stuff. Removing TiDi would require a vast change int he game itself so massing more and more player in the same place no longer work but every time CCP did that, Ageis SOV for example, they created something the player base hates.

That's quite possible and I am sure they are working hard on just that. The point of this was to be a discussion thread and brainstorming ideas of whether or not it could be done. Either now, or in the near future with advancing technology. They have made significant progress.

Also a video I just watched from Delonewolf (Released 45 minutes prior to typing this the battle of Auga) shows that with about 1700 people the TiDi was actually quite reasonable. Says the camera was still responsive and everything. Once 2200 + were trying to get on the kill mail, it started to increase. But that's quite good to get close to 2000 people with a fairly smooth experience from the viewer perspective as well.

I have hopes it can be done.

I have hopes re: riding a unicorn through Narnia on my way to a naked pillow fight with J-Law and Kate Upton and tbh, I think my odds are better than yours.

Also, Tidi has little/nothing to do with client performance - it's a serverside thing. Client performance is frequently bad in those fights, as well, but that's another matter entirely.

Probably the most practical solution would be in the form of game mechanics that steer away from blob warfare as the most effective strategy, thereby limiting the frequency of such fights. Fozziesov's command node mechanics seem to have been at least a light attempt at doing that. Practical doesn't necessarily mean desirable, though, and it could be that the playerbase would just rather endure tidi than more Fozziesov-like mechanics.

Yes, they could if they rewrite the eula and slip in "all your base are belonging to us" in page 42. Its also how you build sky net. Also everyone would want to hijack CCP servers to do bad things.

Tranquility is a finite resource where server load can peak out a blade in the cluster. They would have to use server resources and everyone else's desktop resources that had a client loaded to push that fight along.

If they added pooled resource programming like out programs like the seti at home uses home pc's as virtual super computer. They could free up additional server load for big fights and off shore server time from mission runners in lonetrek to all the Jita alts. Ask those guys how to. Optionally they could get quantum processors. Still bad idea.

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-physicist-has-built-a-supercomputer-from-old-playstations