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the CSM was created as a result of that

just fyi

ban forum alts from the CSM forums

Unfortunately you have just described literally every politician/political form of goverment in the world. Good Luck with that,

There is requirements to most elections, to be President of the USA you have to be a natural born citizen. To be governor of a state, you have to live in that state for a year. To vote in most states, you have to be a 30 day resident.

Lets put this into a metaphor, in a different perspective. Think about this.

We vote for a world leader, and the individual vote counts. Who is going to win? A Chinese man. Why? because China has the population and the dictator crooked enough to force votes. Who is going to benefit? China's economy and military might.

That is what happens in a CSM election in EVE.

Fix it? Disband the CSM, it is a waste of money and time, its a joke.

make it work? Don't allow there own alliance to vote for them, make them EARN the right to speak on the players behaves. Not by telling their alliance to vote for them.

Earn it, No free lunches!

Eurovision, if the United Kingdom told its citizens to only vote for the Britain in the contest, and not from them earning the first place, you think eurovision would allow it?

Yeah I agree, your teachers wasn't to bright. Might want to try to understand what you read. I never said Null had a majority, but goonswarm has the most players in its alliance compared to other alliances.

Let me know if I am typing too fast for ya? I can spread it out more for ya.

They weren't at the time of the vote, xXDEATHXx was. Get your facts straight.

More than that, goon votes were split in more than one direction, see how they got 2 people on, and iirc had a couple more who lost.

The problem isn't bloc voting, its voter turn out. Instead of being angry at the alliances in game who can organize themselves, be angry at the people who didn't bother to vote, and the massive number of people who ran for CSM who got 5 votes each, watering down the few available votes there were to be had against more organized groups.

The final problem is the simple fact that people live in more than one place in eve. I myself live purely in nullsec with my alts, but I have a friend in corp who has a couple highsec characters, in addition to his 3 nullsec characters. He FCs for Incursions. Do you think he voted for the more pvp oriented CSM, like I did?

The system works, its the people who don't. If you want things different, then campaign in highsec to drive up voter turnout, and to consolidate that turnout behind a few candidates. You only needed about 2k votes to get on CSM6, if you actually do more that rage on the forums, you can actually change things.

Don't be angry, and don't think you can change the system by throwing tantrums on the forums. If you want change, do it the right way and change things from within.

Wants something funny? Darius 3 got most of his votes by scamming newbies in jita. Publicly. And he bragged about it.

Get the votes, and get the behind a candidate you think would do better. CCP doesn't actually care, because scammers have a valid viewpoint in eve too.

The point of the elections is to get those who care enough about eve to take 5 minutes to do some research and click a couple buttons to select the people they feel best represent their view of eve. And all our views are equally valid.

Last year, the people who voted came to the conclusion that the 9 people we have now best represented our views. Those who didn't agree, didn't vote, or didn't organize to win.

Did you know that CSM5 was mostly people from highsec? Got nullsec nerfed horribly. So nullsec banded together to make sure it didn't happen again. Now its highsecs time to learn the same lesson. Get your people together, and make sure there isn't another CSM like this one.

If you think there is cheating, institute a vote tracker among your followers to make sure there is a certain minimum of votes actually counted(after someone votes, they go click a button/make a forum post on your site).

Guess what. Most people vote for people from our political group in eve because we know they have similar views to us, not because we are forced to(we can't be forced, btw) so your tinhattery is completely baseless.

Now waiting for your incoherent, rage filled reply

First let me clear up some missconceptions:

Those who firmly believe that the CSM should work for the entire playerbase.
No they don't, won't and will never.
Why?
Simple, they work for the people that elected them on their platform. Not for thos who didn't vote for them because those wanted to see other platforms brought forward.
If Mittens, Seleene, Trebor or whichever CSM member would be for all players just as perfect don't you think they wouldn have gotten 100% of the votes?

Just look at your own governments and try to convince yourself that the current government in your country represents the idea's and direction of each and every voter in your country.
If you manage to believe that you are probably dellusional enough to believe that a CSM works for all players aswel.

Secondly there are people voicing they want certain members removed.
Why?
Well there have been several arguements. However not one arguement was a legal way to remove someone because not one of the CSM members has gotten his or her seat on an illegal way according to the CSM and CCP guidelines.

Personal feelings as why someone shouldn't be in a certain position have as much value as a 13 dollar bill or a 12 euro bill.
If we could get people removed from office because we don't agree with them or because we don't like them our governments would look like a beehive, dozens swirling in and out every minute.

There is a legal way to get other people in the seats. It's called the Elections.

To get more votes than those whom you don't want in the current seat.

Now here the tricky part comes.

The ones in the seats have people supporting them and thus not only have to campaign themselves but lso have others to campaign for them. They already have a big amount of voters standing ready to vote for them agaijn.
So you will be starting from a disadvantaged position, though in no way is that disadvantage illegal, it's just present due to circumstances prior to the next election.
So you have to work hard, endure a lot of disappointments, endure slander and trolling from certain adversaries etc and still get a big enough part of the playerbase to support you.
Sadly enough the pool you will be fishing from will mainly be the socalled hi-sec care(not)bears. The type of player who just wants to log in and do some carefree gaming to relax.
He isn't interested in politics. His only goal is to relax a bit after a hard days work or after a long day at school.

So there you have it. That is the reality of the CSM.

So stop wasting time by demanding the things you have no right to demand and spend some time on stuff that would actually make your demands become a fact.

Why is being organized wrong?

I suspect fractured hisec people, newbies and smaller losec alliances have their interests they'd want to be represented, but are not in a huge alliance that centralizes their interests with the same power as big nullsec alliances. The biggest thing here is Alliance Mail, where you send one mail and get 3k votes. That's a little unfair and also is not in CCP's or majority's interests since (i suspect) the current election process simply does not represent the majority vote.

Attacking someone on his inability to type flawless english is a sign of weakness.
Instead you should discuss the matter at hand.
The person you attack on their flawed ability to express themselves in a "maybe for them foreign language' might be more fluent in his or her own language and would beat you to death with it if you were able to go into discussion with them in their native language.

I bet if I were to discuss in my own language and you would have to google your replies I could burn you all over your mistakes.

So please try to not be a teacher in language untill you learned yourself to talk several languages flawless. Untill then stay on topic if you can.



Or do you want people to look at that part and talk about the propper useage of the english language aswel?

Let's see.
You talk about balls, about butthurt etc...

Do you want to confess to something? Or perhaps show us on this doll where teh nasty man touched you?

Well. I have balls because I post with my main. You on the other hand prove that you lack balls.
I am not butthurt because I don't feel the need to hide behind an alt to troll and flame. You on the other hand seem to have developed more hemeroids than anyone else.