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I don't think this would break the game, only the UI of the fitting window. Having 8 slots of anything is a decision of design, not the limit of the engine.

i agree.. i think removing rigs is the best answer here.. as the ability too put on 3 T2 rigs means they always will have better EHP than HAC's, and since T3's are getting even better OH bonuses on active mods like hardeners and reps surely they don't need such high hp numbers now..

plus reducing the cost of a build by at least 60mil is necessary too improve the have multiple builds option

What about the industry side of things? Where and how will we see increased costs.

a small correction

In short, this will kill the Tengu for use in Superior Sleeper caches. It will not be able to tank those anymore. It will not allow you to tank the damage in either solar or Sentries room from what I see and two back2back Massive Shockwaves in Archive room will kill lthe ship as it evaporates the shield with no time to regen. RIP explo Tengu

The reason why covert was in offensive is because in most case when used it will be used instead of weapons. Now, being in defensive it basically kills the ability to create a viable and well tanked explorer. When I come into a system cloacked and nullified, I am still seen (briefly) when coming in.. It's justa matter of combat probing to find me while refitting..

Basically negates the purpose of both Cloak and Nullification.. But then, that seems to be the whole idea.. Give the PVP crowd their pewpew.

Actually having one subsystem of the T3Cs themselves, particularly either an offensive, defensive or electronic sub being a single faction variant would facilitate the entire idea of faction T3Cs which people have been screaming about for ages. And only a single sub giving different pirate faction bonii wouldnt be a hard balance issue and could be mitigated by rarity, manufacturing costs and costs overall.

Another idea would be that these subs could be placed on each T3C as well but this would be more of a balance issue and a bit of a stretch imo.

Making this sub rare, putting them as ultra rare ghost site drops or sleeper site drops wouldnt mean overfarming nor fleets of such ships running around.

Ironically tying SP loss to only these subs would also be a good balance issue while removing the SP loss for the general T3C hull.

So +1 for you on this one.

They will have heavily nerfed t3 mobility by the looks of things. Like someone said, you could class them as bc's,

Edit, nvm no they wont and their sig still looks tiny.

you mean old casual player that weeping on forums when CCP rework his presious overpowered ship?


+1 to consider T3 as BC. it will remove a lot of claims.
BC desigh to kill cruisers. so yes, they outperforms a T2 ship. they are battlecruisers!!!

No that's good balancing, bad balancing is buffing everything else to match the 4 problem ships. We call that power creep and it's very damaging to the wider game.

I don't think the hull bonuses are necessary, but significantly increasing the skill requirement would make sense. T3Cs are kind of supposed to be "end-game" ships, and I think it isn't logical to try to squeeze them into a place where they can't fit, based on a conception/rule that they always were ignoring.
According to EVE Uni the logistics cruisers need 48 days to learn, followed by the T3Cs with 60.5 days, then recon ships with 61.5 days, HACs with 63 days, and finally HICs with 71 days. It literally makes no sense to learn any T2 ships instead of the T3C, except the HICs.
Increasing the skill requirement by all T2 cruiser skills would mean that you can have a ship that's better than the rest, because you actually have to learn the rest first. Adding advanced weapon upgrades V will place these closer to marauders' learning time, and at that point you are allowed to be OP.
But instead of rethinking wether or not the rules are valid, we try to nerf these ships to not step on the toes of the T2 line, and as a result their only valuable function will be the nullification.

The explorer fits are already being killed with low EHP and painfully few mid slots on armored ships. This means you either pick the cloak to have a chance of a successful hack, or pick a tank to survive when every second container blows up, while constantly going back to the depot to switch between data and relic analyzers because 3 slots isn't enough to have both with a propulsion mod and an utility like a cargo scanner or a scrambler.