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AbleGamers Stream and twitch question

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saltrock0000
D-sync
#1 - 2017-06-18 22:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: saltrock0000
So lets get this out of the way, I'm a jerk.

As some people will have seen there has been a stream raising money for charity streaming eve online. The streamers have been using give aways as incentive for people to donate, generally setting goals and saying "if we reach X amount we will hold a give away"

My question/accusation.........Isn't this RMT?!

https://www.twitch.tv/eveathon

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#2 - 2017-06-19 00:08:36 UTC
1. No. No one is selling anything in game for real money.

2. Stop it. Just stop. This is charity. Yes, you are a jerk. You don't have to be.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2017-06-19 01:45:11 UTC
the money gets donated directly to a charity and doesn't go through the streamers.

also the giveaways are random, donating doesn't improve your chances of winning anything.

so no, not RMT

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#4 - 2017-06-19 01:55:56 UTC
No I don't believe this constitutues RMT, however I am a little leery of real life/Eve Online charity mixing up. Been here long enough to know the other shoe will drop eventually. What?UghSad Sincerely hope I'm wrong.

When you see things like walkathon's for Diabetes and if you show up and put up some cash and do the walk for the free t-shirt that was supplied by generous and tax dodging corporations like American Express™ McDonald's™ etcetc™ it's for a good cause but if you wanna be a glass half empty type maybe you just need to consider your own attitude.

The streamers doing what they did this weekend was very selfless and honorable, and in return; the ones who are very small-time like that have 10-15 viewers at best got some serious exposure for their channels.

It was refreshing to see the community side of our group rather than the usual lynch mob. I appreciate your question though dear OP, I've got experience asking hard questions about #b4r.

Sad

@lunettelulu7

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#5 - 2017-06-19 02:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Not even by CCP's official streaming policy is what they did, RMT:

https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/monetization-of-videos-and-streaming-policy/

Nor should it be. Was a charitable event from some of the games most frequent content providers. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-06-19 08:57:16 UTC
These charity streaming events happen from time to time on Twitch. They're not restricted to EvE and all funds raised go directly to the specified charity fund and not to the streamers.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#7 - 2017-06-19 09:04:54 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
1. No. No one is selling anything in game for real money.

2. Stop it. Just stop. This is charity. Yes, you are a jerk. You don't have to be.


He is right to question it though. A lot of charities are very profitable businesses that hide under a veil of moral altruism that nobody really looks under. There should be no problem asking a few questions about them without getting the ''hurr durr it's a charity you monster'' replies.
Salvos Rhoska
#8 - 2017-06-19 09:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
There are many streamers that claim to be raising funds for a charity, yet its very difficult to be sure they arent just pocketing it, or contributing nothing, instead just pumping their own viewer/follower/sub count.

Over the years Ive asked several of them for some proof the funds are going to a charity, and have never receives any proof, instead getting insulted and banned.

Id recommend against contributing to any of these "charity" streams unless you are absolutely certain they are legit.
If you want to donate, do it directly to your charity of choice.

If you have any doubt, report these streamers to both Twitch and CCP with extreme prejudice.
Let them look into it, if they bother to.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#9 - 2017-06-19 09:10:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the money gets donated directly to a charity and doesn't go through the streamers.

also the giveaways are random, donating doesn't improve your chances of winning anything.

so no, not RMT

Aha, a gambling site!

Its charity, but its also gambling. Lol
Quote:

generally setting goals and saying "if we reach X amount we will hold a give away"

Give away is a lottery then.

I was thinking, maybe make a lottery and the money will go to the random few gambling addicts. A charity of sort.
Salvos Rhoska
#10 - 2017-06-19 09:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Sometime back there was some blurry lines on giveaways about whether allowing:
A) Only subbed players to participate
B) Using more than one "token" to participate

Technically, allowing only subbed accounts to participate constitutes RMT.
The player pays the streamer in money in exchange for ingame assets.

An equivalent example would be Dotlan offering a subscription exclusive service regarding access to CCPs intellectual/digital property, which would obviously be RMT.

Personally, I think the policy should be that all "followers" (which is free and reversible) should be able to participate with one token. Subs only giveaways should not be allowed, per the explanation of how it is RMT above.

Edit: Just realized this is already covered in the link provided by Scipio.

Good.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#11 - 2017-06-19 22:00:16 UTC
Gneeznow wrote:
He is right to question it though. A lot of charities are very profitable businesses that hide under a veil of moral altruism that nobody really looks under. There should be no problem asking a few questions about them without getting the ''hurr durr it's a charity you monster'' replies.


Even if it wasn't for charity this wouldn't be RMT
Raiden Harmann
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-06-19 23:06:19 UTC
This was a valid question. As one of the organisers of the event i looked into all of this before committing myself to this cause. Scaredpanda and Rahne also did their homework.

Not a single cent of any money donated is touched by any streamer involved. Every donation went straight to the charity through a donation site.

Ablegamers from the top down do not pay their staff including the CEO. this is all shown on their website.

The donation to output ratio is also 95%, so the money goes straight where it is needed.

All info on this charity can be found here : http://www.ablegamers.org/

I would also like to say a big thank you to this community for the incredible support of what was achieved. $25K+ was raised and will change the lives of many people.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me. I will answer as best as I can, or point you in the right direction.

Once again thank you all o7