Assembly Hall

Please post all feedback in the new forums: https://meta.eveonline.com/t/upwell-structures-should-consume-base-amounts-of-fuel-or-isk/4019

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Simple: Structures should consume fuel regardless of fitted / online modules.

If the structure runs out of fuel, then the modules, teathering, and ALL invulnerability timers are lost. Thus you could remove a structure in a single sitting.

This will likely be required at some point to prevent HS from becoming literally clogged with structures. Also, this is the mechanic currently in place for POS so it makes since.

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Complex: Systems are given a "Station Index" and stations consume ISK to stay on-line...similar to industry or research indexes.

If a system only has one structure, then the index is low. If the system is crowded, then the index is high and the amount of ISK consumed by all stations increases.

Larger structures increase the index more than smaller structures.

People need wages. Your station needs to replace those dilithium crystals.

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Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6hteak/support_needed_upwell_structures_should_consume/

I don't typically use the forums a lot, so is the assembly hall still where the CSM brings player suggestions to CCP?

OR

Does CCP pull directly from the "Player Features and Ideas?"

100% behind this. I always felt it was ridiculous that an unfueled POS drops it's shield yet an unfueled citadel keeps tethering.

I like your idea about the index, I had mentioned something similar a while back but it constellation based and each M/L/XL citadel contributed a different amount to that index. Basically making two keepstars/satiyos in the same constellation max out the index, where as it would have taken 10 Astrahus/Raitaru. Something that effects fuel usage is better than my arbitrary hard cap but can be used to accomplish the same.

Something has to be done to stop the citadel spam. That's for damn sure.

EDIT : Since you edited your original post. I'm not really for the isk cost as a factor, we have that already with sov mechanics. I am in agreement with it increasing fuel usage. Isk sinks are needed - but citadels are not the way to go about it. It's targeting the wrong people. This whole thing started more as a cost to run citadel idea to discourage citadel spam. The whole isk sink idea is unrelated.

Should the structures consume a base amount of fuel? No, no they should not. They should however require an isk fee for operating.

With the removal of poses approaching, the cost of fuel itself should actually remain about the same. Think about it, with poses gone, all the operations that are currently still run in a pos will need to be moved to a citadel, which means more citadels consuming the fuel. As has been highlighted by CCP as of late, there's a **** TON of raw isk in the game and getting added every hour. We used to have clone grades as a large isk sink, but with their death(good riddance) several years ago, we haven't had any real isk sinks. Because of this, there's a lot more raw money in the game trading hands, and in some cases just sitting in people's wallets in stupid high quantities. The game needs an isk sink, and we need one badly.

Instead of additional fuel, have Concord charge an isk fee, call it an operating license or something. This fee should be based on citadel size/class and location; the higher the sec status, or the bigger the structure, then the higher the fee. Set it up like office rentals, you can either manually pay it or have it set to auto bill, with both options payable from either personal wallets or corp ones. If the bill goes unpaid, then your license from concord expires and all your workers go home and leave the citadel on automatic. When left running in automatic mode, you can still dock and refit but, you cant repair, you cant tether, and you have no timers. This way, just as is with poses, if they are left unattended and unpaid, then they can be easily removed. In addition, i put forth that any citadel that is left in such an abandoned state, should follow wh mechanics and drop all of it's contents as loot. Doing this would give people a reason to both pay attention to their citadels, as well as provide and incentive for people to hunt and kill abandoned ones.

Why not isk and fuel?

Also, hi sec POSes require charters; why do citadels not?

As stated by Clerical_terrors on reddit:

Using isk would be a terrible idea. We don't need corporate isk sinks, we need personal isk sinks, and ones that are directed specifically at wealthy players.

Fuel is a good idea, the index is a decent idea.

Citadel didn't replace POS, it replaced POS AND Outpost

Outpost never required fuel

So, if it does require fuel and I litter HS and put 10 years of fuel in them, would that be ok with you?

What about if it has online modules, would that then no longer require extra fuel?

Have you thought about the greater implications of fuel demand to keep these citadels running?

Have you thought about why citadels were made in the first place?

To have a home....

How many people lived out of a POS in high sec? NONE - why - cause they required fuel and you lost your **** when they blew up

Now, we have citadels, although you don't necessarily lose your ****, if someone forgets to fuel it one weekend and it gets blown up, why bother using them, just stay in a station

Oh crap, 2-3 years of development down the crapper cause you can't figure out how to fix your overview or use the structure browser. Boo Hoo hoo

Outposts were also limited to one per system. Have you thought about the greater implications of allowing dozens and hundreds of Upwell structures per system without any way of reducing the god-awful method of removing them? Or, perhaps, having to have your meatshields pay to have a lot of structures around trade hubs and drawing in billions of ISK would be a bit too much for you.

I doubt it will be big enough to replace the amounts needed for large POS.