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Incursion runners unite: Operation "Destroy the market."

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#81 - 2012-01-24 09:01:32 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:


My proposal: Hold the markets ransom.




Hahahahahahaha.... ahahahhahaha...Lol

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Citizen of Solitude
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#82 - 2012-01-24 09:04:36 UTC
Dear prisoner #532532632
The plot, you have lost it.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2012-01-24 09:25:41 UTC
Yes! buy all of my stuff and relist it at silly prices!

I promise I wont build more and also sell them for heaps more cash.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-01-24 09:26:41 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:
Well you carry on doing the Incursions for the social/fun/gameplay aspect and the ISK becomes irrelevant and just stockpiles up and up. But after running Incursions for 4-12 hours a day, on 2 accounts, for, let's say, 300 days to break for the days I wasn't able to get on, assuming that I am averaging 90m an hour (A more realistic number over the period of 6 hours+ after counting in fleet form up times, bios etc) how much ISK does that leave you with?

A lot.

You really have no clue on how rich those market-bears aren't you?

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-01-24 09:52:42 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
Seeing how well empire bears are at coordinating global actions like voting candidates into the CSM this initiative surely will be a grand success.


ice

burn

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Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#86 - 2012-01-24 09:53:04 UTC
You wanna make incursions less of an ISK Faucet?... MAKE THEM HARDER!

I remember when they started and there was no idea how the AI ran... ship losses by the **** tons. Now, everyone (even noobs in a healthy fleet with a good FC) run them with no more of an effort than a good LVL4 (AE anyone?).

Take the AI up a notch. make it more difficult for even the most seasoned pilots to handle. Then we'll see how much isk is taken each hour. Eventually, you'll begin to see the numbers dwindle.

Problem: And I know this, Only the Experienced pilots and, yes, mostly PVP'ers will be able to handle the AI upgrade. That's why you give the null sec-ers something to do. Some of the pilots I speak to come to the Incursions B/C the massive amount of ISK that can be made at no cost to them. Plus, Heavy alliances pretty much have outgrown their 0.0 homes. Anymore, its not of great interest to have massive fleet battles. Many (And those in this thread) have stated that 0.0 is "safer than high sec."

To me, that screams that there needs to be something exciting to go on in null; and it wont come from the player base in high sec. Give them harder incursions too... but pay out in 0.0 should be much higher.

Add to the high sec incursions, limited involvement... 5 times into theater per day and your done... Null sec, however, no limit.

It's clear to most outsiders reading the rages (See OP), however outlandish they may be (again, so OP), that high sec-ers have it too easy and are now bait B/C null sec-ers know how to blitz the high sec incursions. Seems to me, everyone is board in their own back yards...

IDK, just a thought, may be wrong/right.

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Long John Silver
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-01-24 09:56:58 UTC
Empty vessels make most noise, as the saying goes.

Walk the talk, or STFU.

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-01-24 09:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Renturu wrote:
Take the AI up a notch. make it more difficult for even the most seasoned pilots to handle. Then we'll see how much isk is taken each hour. Eventually, you'll begin to see the numbers dwindle.

the only way to achieve this is to add a lot of unpredictable/random behavior to the NPCs (and that creates real problems with making sure that each randomized version of the encounter is still killable)

otherwise it's only a matter of time until the first few pioneers have figured out optimal setups and written the guide - at which point the masses while be there again.

also don't underestimate the ability of incursion runners to stack certain fittings/ships - they had more than enough time to save some isk to get new specialized characters if necessary.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#89 - 2012-01-24 10:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Tell you what. I've got nothing better to do than mess around with the markets while I'm waiting for skills to train, and I'm a relatively reckless individual who's lost plenty of ISK on foolish purchases that meant nothing. Pop the money(ISK) my way and I'll invest it for you and yours. I have no clue what I'm doing, so I'm quite sure I'll waste all of it in a foolhardy manner, and the markets will go completely nutbar over the wierd frakin' spending. Could work for you.

edit: Actually, I'd rather not get banned for having someone dump a load of ISK on me, even if I did get to have fun spending it; so just in case you actually consider it, don't. Strangely, I don't even think it would be worth it for the length of time it would take to petition and get the ban lifted. Is that wierd?
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Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#90 - 2012-01-24 10:03:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Renturu
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Renturu wrote:
Take the AI up a notch. make it more difficult for even the most seasoned pilots to handle. Then we'll see how much isk is taken each hour. Eventually, you'll begin to see the numbers dwindle.

the only way to achieve this is to add a lot of unpredictable/random behavior to the NPCs (and that creates real problems with making sure that each randomized version of the encounter is still killable)

otherwise it's only a matter of time until the first few pioneers have figured out optimal setups and written the guide - at which point the masses while be there again.

also don't underestimate the ability of incursion runners to stack certain fittings/ships - they had more than enough time to save some isk to get new specialized characters if necessary.


Yeah, I see now, time is the only enemy and even then, it will fade.

I say this then, NERF all ISK sinks then. If you have little risk - little reward. High risk - high reward. There is a reason in 0.0 you can moon mine and not high sec. But, I also agree that there needs to be a means by which the low risk areas aren't over-run by the boys with the most/biggest toys.

Edit: I think if incursions are such a pain (and they are) why not randomize the payouts, you may get 1 mil, may get 10 mil per run. know one knows. So, you gamble rather you are a high SP PVPer or a noob.

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IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-01-24 10:44:29 UTC
OP TL;DR all of it but I have to say you're slicing off your hand to spite your thumb. You pull something like that and the entire player base will rally against you. A lot of folks unconcerned by this incursion silliness will take an interest in what you're up to. Trust me you don't want that. Spiking plex costs to send a 'message' or any other economic measures will result in you losing massive amounts of ISK and ending up on the shitlists of a lot of folks. Folks with more means and more expirience in doing harm to you than you have in doing harm to them. You're painting a target on your back.

Good luck with that.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Maelle LuzArdiden
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-01-24 11:06:26 UTC
So OP, let me get this straight:

You were in the position to abuse a broken game mechanics repeatedly over a considerable period of time, amassed a personal fortune, and now you want to use that fortune to hurt all others? Especially new players and "evil nullseccers" who actually use their resources and wits to build empires, wage massive wars and contribute to the gameplay of thousands of others.

Now I understand why BTL and the rest are called Incursion cunts.

That is your attitude, your implementation plan on the other hand... I'd really love to see your group putting your money where your mouth is :D

If a troll , 10/10
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#93 - 2012-01-24 11:08:06 UTC
Challenge is accepted.
Crazy Jakk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-01-24 11:09:56 UTC
Market bears, incursion bears, empire bears...

Is anyone here not a bear?

I'm gonna invest in salmon, just in case.
thekiller2002us
The J8sters
#95 - 2012-01-24 11:17:27 UTC
Hi there mate,

If you are doing a market manip- could you hit coolant- i f****d up and i am currently at a loss with it at its current price.

love,
thekiller2002us

I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal..
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-01-24 11:18:34 UTC
GL.
Gordon Fell
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-01-24 11:18:59 UTC
With all the markets in EVE being somewhere between 7 and 11 trillion ISK in transactions daily, according to you-know-who, yours seems a bit lowish to hold the markets hostage, let alone do some serious damage.
R3dSh1ft
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-01-24 11:22:54 UTC
Amarr Citizen 532532632 wrote:
No one really does make 160m per hour over extended periods of time such as people are claiming.

As I said, 90m an hour tops. If I sat in 0.0 and farmed sanctums whilst remaining conveniently offline for any and all CTAs I could (and did) do the exact same thing by myself. The only reason that Incursions are my preference is because splitting the site doesn't mean splitting the reward and it's more team work than "Snake tank room, Mare DPS."

Plenty of Incursion runners have no ISK at all because it goes right back into PvP ships. But people like me who don't ever lose ships? Where else is the ISK going to go?

If I was all about the free ISK printing, I wouldn't be doing incursions trust me.


The difference is in 0.0 there are risks, and it takes effort to hold the space and isk invested to generate sanctums etc.

High Sec incursions shouldn't pay out much more than lvl 4 missions imho.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2012-01-24 11:23:14 UTC
Gordon Fell wrote:
With all the markets in EVE being somewhere between 7 and 11 trillion ISK in transactions daily, according to you-know-who, yours seems a bit lowish to hold the markets hostage, let alone do some serious damage.


He might be able to grab a few commodities and bring them down errr up. But you are mostly correct. As a ring leader of a larger more concerted effort it could be trouble. OP is no Mittens however and any kind of shenanigans on his part will most certainly end badly for him..
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-01-24 11:27:36 UTC
Why don't you just take the isk you earned from incursions, buy awesome character, join the griefer corps and destroy them from the inside?!

The wishlist is pretty much complete...