Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No it would not, in fact it would most likely have the opposite effect of what you are thinking.

I heard CCP did design a PvP arena. It's called EVE. Or if you get fussy maybe it's called Null. See how much use it gets currently.

Also betting will never ever be supported in EVE, because of legal reasons.

Every game that has added an arena has seen the PvP outside of it vanish.

I support PVP arenas, under the following conditions:


1) In order to get to said arena, you must travel into lowsec to visit a Concord titan. There will be no stations, citadels, PVE opportunities, or POSes within 6 jumps.
2) The Concord titan will bridge you into an isolated pocket with another group of similar size (you will not get to decide if you want to take the fight, as soon as you bridge you're committed)
3) Neither group can leave until one group has been podded (anyone who logs off is now prevented from ever getting bridged home, and can self destruct when they're ready to leave or spend the rest of their lives alone in empty space)
4) Anti-griefing mechanics to prevent one group from just running away for 3 hours to destroy the other group's enjoyment of the match



As others have mentioned the advantages of this:
1) People looking for real fights find real fights. No blueballing required.
2) People looking to gank ratters can still go gank ratters
3) People looking to camp gates can still camp gates
4) FW is still a thing, and anyone looking to gank FW plex runners can still gank FW plex runners


Anyone complaining that an arena would kill PVP outside of said arena is simply too used to the idea of ganking PVE fit ships and calling that PVP. Go take some real fights against PVP ships. The only people who have any credit to make such a claim are the ones that do FW for the sake of the PVP, in which case there will still be plex runners for you to fight and kill (as isk remains a necessity for pvp).

Anyone complaining that it ruins their ability to dunk PVP roams with blobs, well, go take a real fight that you might actually lose and stop being risk-averse.

Anyone complaining that it reduces risk for ratters is free to go roaming through null sov looking for ratters, to put the fear of loss back in their hearts.

It already exists, it's called undocking.

Okay, you say that, but you fail to offer any justification or supposition as to how it would happen. "A game" is not Eve, which very likely means any links drawn between the two are very shallow at best.

What kind of PVP would you no longer see? Go ahead and pick one, we'll debate that in detail. Don't say "PVP", pick a specific type of engagement, any one you want.

At the end of the day, the moment ratters become too ripe, people will choose to roam them for the killmails, the lulz, and the loot. The same applies to ANY of the current pvp engagement profiles.

All this does is let players engage in good fights without having to get blueballed or blobbed - neither of which is fun.

You fail to see that these people need targets. Roaming around dozens upon dozens of systems is not exactly the biggest fun generator in this game. With arenas, however, this will become the norm because all the targets switch to the instant fights instead of looking for them. First, the casuals and usually victims will leave for arenas because they are fed up of getting dunked. Next are the casual roamers who do stuff here and there and rely on targets in a given area to find their fights/victims. Once they are gone, the die hard PVP pros will also have lost their targets and thus PVP dies out outside arenas.
I could have the order wrong and instead the die hard PVPers go first because they will find a lot more victims in arenas than they could ever find in open roaming settings, simply because they get delivered to them on a silver platter. And no restriction whatsoever (not SP, ship value, ship type, group size type or other) will prevent that more experienced people will keep whelping other less experienced people in any fight setting.

And you fail to accurately estimate the opportunistic nature of Eve players.

Imagine a world where everyone PVPs in arenas. You hate this world. You want to roam around. So... you roam old school. You enter into pockets, you find people, you bait fights. There will still be people there doing their isk generating activities, and they'll still need to have standing fleets to respond to people like you. They'll still be free to drop 15 supers on you for lulz.

PVP will not be dead, and roaming will not be dead. The goal of roaming in nullsec was never to run into another roaming group. The goal is to either kill their PVE ships as a means of baiting them into a PVP fight.

That remains a viable option, so long as those players are out in space. Which they will be. The flaw in your argument is that you assume all the "targets" will be gone. They won't be.

As I mentioned in my first reply no stations, no citadels, no pos, no pve within 6 jumps of the concord titan. This ensures that your targets will still have a home system somewhere that they'll be doing "stuff" in to pay for the ships they lose in this arena.

I do live in drone space, and you're exactly right. When a roam heads our way, we dock up the PVE ships and fit into PVP ships. If the fight's worth taking we take it and dunk the roamers. If not, we blueball them. The only time we fight outside of our own choice is when we've got a rorq or something sieged and/or tackled which does occasionally happen.

Does that sound fun to you, as the roamer, knowing that we just blueball you if we can't/won't dunk you with carriers?

That won't change with the inclusion of arenas. We'll still need isk.

Needing isk means ratting, it means mining, it means all the things it already means. When you come into pocket, still the only reason we'll be forced to fight a potentially one-sided battle is when we have a rorq sieged. The rest of the time, we'll blueball you the same as we did before.

You'll still be able to come into pocket, either solo or with a roam, and get the exact same willingness to engage from us. We'll fight you if we believe we'll win, we'll ignore you if we think we'll lose.

The only difference is now you can choose to go somewhere that people don't have any intent to blueball you.

As for my stipulations:
1) Yes, new space. Completely cut off from the gates. Considering how blatantly easy it would be for CCP to procedurally instantiate empty systems, I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.
4) You can also choose to go and grief rookies in rookie systems if you want to. Doesn't mean a GM won't beat you into submission if the TOS prohibit griefing (which in those systems it does). Basic automated mechanisms will prevent the most common griefing, GM banhammers or similar will prevent/resolve the rest. Deciding whether or not the opposing player is griefing becomes a GM decision. We as players all know damn well when we're griefing.

Jettisoning people into the sun would be too quick.