EVE General Discussion

NPCs could just use ECM on fighters en masse.

and CCP wonders why players quits or never increases their active player base, this change will literally turn carriers into super cap logis rendering fighters pointless, better off just removing fighter bonuses from the bonus tab, besides why is it a sin to run complexes in carriers? it's our ships, we grind grind and grind to build those ships, we deserve to take the risk of using them any way we want, i'm pretty sure you'll find some dummy trying to run complexes in a titan if you look hard enough, just to try and solo incursions, if ppl starts doing incursions solo in a tian, will that mean you'll nerf titans as well? where will it stop? you want to nerf something, nerf the rewards that's encouraging players of using carriers, or better yet, place ship restrictions on the rat rooms

The fighter agreession piece was the one part that should NOT have been rolled back at all.

CCP seems to think carriers are too useful for PvP. I haven't seen many that believe that... but if that's their goal then the new reduced nerf to damage might at least result in them having some viability. But the part that should have remained nerfed in full is the fighter aggression. That's a method of making ratting harder for carriers that has NO impact on PvP.

Ah well.

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Those instantly respawning anomalies have existed since 2010. They existed when EVE had higher PCU numbers (ie more people were online playing EVE). The money supply didn't go haywire until last year, right after CCP introduced Fighter Squadrons. Carriers and Supercarriers have been used in anomalies the entire time (the 1st Supercarrier kill I was on was a ratting super, back when they were still officially called "Motherships". Hell, people have and still sometimes do rat with titans (this was subject to a heavy nerf 5 years ago).

I honestly don't know how people can blame something that has been around for more than 8 years for something that is obviously and provably the fault of Fighter Squadrons.

Now, that sentence made me smile

Maybe if all the bounties would be moving from killed anomaly pirates to a carrier that is doing the killing, people would actually hunt more for those carriers. How to move bounties to make them claimable by others? Maybe chips that fill with data of pirates automatically as they are killed? And they would appear in cargo space of carrier. Then they would have to be transported to a location to be sold.

Bounty chips for null. \o/

Or just those tags that have to be collected.

At first part I thought that would be a bad idea. However, if such bounty data chips were the case for everybody, whether they killed NPC or other, the bounty chip thing could be an interesting angle.
Back to same issue with carriers relative to everybody, but might be an interesting mechanic.

Perhaps CCP wanted to nerf carriers in PvP too.

One of the main requirements for these bounty chips would need to be that they would only be able to be redeemed in some other NPC space, whether that is null, low or high sec I wouldnt care too much. Moves between regions/NPC faction lines plus moving through at least 1 or both security levels of space would do the trick and not make it a cookie cutter press "buttan receive bacon".

And though with MTUs the ease of cleaning up anoms is still quicker the ability to steal, loot and generally harass players would increase simply because if you had the ability to run someone out of an anom or belt you could collect the isk theyd made too up to that point. So destruction wouldnt be the only way to hurt said players, much like if someone runs a miner out of a belt thats jetcanning they can hurt them by blowing up the can of ore and therefore the value and time.

If such a thing would be created I would generally enjoy a hacking module, perhaps a modified Ligature or Zeugma or even a Purloined, that would be able to hack the MTUs to spill the contents, particularly the chips or tags. The other option is a parasitic MTU with very limited range, speed and hold that would in essence be anchorable only for a short duration, have a long reanchor timer and limited to one per grid that would be able to be anchored in the anom to collect the wrecks still there. To the victor go the spoils, to those who can hold grid go the riches.

This creates a method of harassment, theft and piracy beyond just the ship kill as well.

LOL. So because you weren't nerfed this time (maybe because you don't fly a carrier in PvP?), they got it right. But all the other times when they affected someone and something else but the actual problem, and you were affected too, they got it wrong. Right?

Fighter squadrons don't **** ISK all over New Eden, exploding the money supply. Nerfing them makes as much sense as nerfing any other ship or weapon in the game. CCP is being STUPID AND LAZY with this so-called "fix." And in your short-sightedness, and in your lust to see abusers get what's coming to them, you are supporting the nonsense.

I'm not being affected either. I don't live in null sec, and I don't fly a carrier. I also don't want a bunch of goons living in Delve raking-in however many trillions of ISK per day/week/month they've been raking-in. But I also recognize you don't stupidly nerf a ship because you don't know how to fix or manage the fracking economy. IT'S STUPID.

REASONS TO NERF A COMBAT SHIP OR WEAPON IN PVP

1) The ship or weapon is too strong in PvP.

2) See #1.

REASONS NOT TO NERF A COMBAT SHIP OR WEAPON IN PVP

1) Economy.

2) PvE.

3) Just because you feel like it.

4) It's raining outside.

5) Etc.

CIRCUMSTANCES TO CONSIDER BEFORE NERFING SHIP/WEAPON IN PVP

1) PvP

2) See #1.

CIRCUMSTANCES NOT TO CONSIDER BEFORE NERFING SHIP/WEAPON IN PVP

1) Anything else but #1 above.