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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Random Freak
Doomheim
#2101 - 2017-06-13 10:22:53 UTC
Petros K wrote:
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
If you really want to compare capital-ratting to other ships, do the following:
1) Take only bounties that came from ratting anomalies (caps don't rat anywhere else)
2) Take only bounties that came from nullsec (cap's don't rat anywhere else)
3) Divide them by the amount of time spent to generate that isk (The amount of bounty-ticks generated will work reasonably)

I would REALLY be interested in THAT statistic, as it would actually be usefull information.

Haven't you been paying attention? They get up to 260 mil ticks. What more do you need to know?


260m tick would mean that some1 is killing 1 haven in 2-2half minutes. Is it even possible ?


Only way i see this being possible would be to have 3 consecutive sites with a dread spawn. 60m on that * 3 makes 180m + about 80m from the regular bounties, about 25 - 30M per Anom. So, you know, an utter outlier, a 1 in a million happening.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#2102 - 2017-06-13 10:23:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Axhind wrote:


Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually.


Here you go. Granted its incursions but the same tactic will work for anoms


Capitals in incursions? Since when? Have you actually done carrier ratting since the changes to fighter mechanics? LInking some random guy multiboxing subcaps is not evidence of carrier/super multiboxing.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#2103 - 2017-06-13 10:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
baltec1 wrote:
Axhind wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=Axhind]
Nope the statics will be much more evenly for all the reasons I listed. The average capital-ratter rats more per month . I expect FAR more than 6,2% of all nullsec-ano-ticks be generated by caps. FAR MORE.



Will be interesting how well/if they can detect multiboxing. Running several ishtars is easy as is running them in the background while working. Something that is not the case with capital ratting. I know that I stopped carrier ratting due to losing fighters if I look away for a sec, while worst that happens in an ishtar is that I get a bit lower tick.

oh its still possible to multibox 2-3 carriers/supers if you have the right rig.

Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually.


Here you go. Granted its incursions but the same tactic will work for anoms


1) That guy is using stratioses and not carriers
2) Microing 1 of 3 squads of fighters is the same work as microing a full 5-flight of drones.
3) In addition to that the fighters also may need mwd + orbiting
4) The Carriers do MUCH more dmg than stratioses. You will need to lock and attack multiple times as much.
5) Drone aggro/assist/guard helps a lot

Microing 1 Carrier is already easily as much work as microing 3+ stratioses. Show me someone microing 6 stratioses while generating a 20mil+ tick without using assist/guard and I'll start to beleave you.

Multiboxing 2 carriers close to perfectly or 3 carriers even remotely good are wet fantasies (:
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#2104 - 2017-06-13 10:27:08 UTC
NPC Fighter Aggression: No Change (was +15%)

Reverting that is straight up mentally ********, the damage reduction alone won't do ****, you're going to add like 60 seconds to site times and nothing will change
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#2105 - 2017-06-13 10:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Destriouth Hollow
Random Freak wrote:
Petros K wrote:
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
If you really want to compare capital-ratting to other ships, do the following:
1) Take only bounties that came from ratting anomalies (caps don't rat anywhere else)
2) Take only bounties that came from nullsec (cap's don't rat anywhere else)
3) Divide them by the amount of time spent to generate that isk (The amount of bounty-ticks generated will work reasonably)

I would REALLY be interested in THAT statistic, as it would actually be usefull information.

Haven't you been paying attention? They get up to 260 mil ticks. What more do you need to know?


260m tick would mean that some1 is killing 1 haven in 2-2half minutes. Is it even possible ?


Only way i see this being possible would be to have 3 consecutive sites with a dread spawn. 60m on that * 3 makes 180m + about 80m from the regular bounties, about 25 - 30M per Anom. So, you know, an utter outlier, a 1 in a million happening.


True Sansha Dreads (the seldom faction kind) give 120mil bounties.


Cypherous wrote:
NPC Fighter Aggression: No Change (was +15%)

Reverting that is straight up mentally ********, the damage reduction alone won't do ****, you're going to add like 60 seconds to site times and nothing will change


Guess what? The community gave a shitstorm because it DID NOT WANT that change.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2106 - 2017-06-13 10:29:44 UTC
Axhind wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Axhind wrote:


Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually.


Here you go. Granted its incursions but the same tactic will work for anoms


Capitals in incursions? Since when? Have you actually done carrier ratting since the changes to fighter mechanics? LInking some random guy multiboxing subcaps is not evidence of carrier/super multiboxing.


Where did I say capitals in incursions?

Its the setup he is using, with this setup you can have multiple clients operating. You can see exactly what is going on with each client so keeping fighters alive is fairly easy. You can very easily operate 2-3 supers/carriers using this system.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#2107 - 2017-06-13 10:30:23 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Axhind wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
[quote=Axhind]
Nope the statics will be much more evenly for all the reasons I listed. The average capital-ratter rats more per month . I expect FAR more than 6,2% of all nullsec-ano-ticks be generated by caps. FAR MORE.



Will be interesting how well/if they can detect multiboxing. Running several ishtars is easy as is running them in the background while working. Something that is not the case with capital ratting. I know that I stopped carrier ratting due to losing fighters if I look away for a sec, while worst that happens in an ishtar is that I get a bit lower tick.

oh its still possible to multibox 2-3 carriers/supers if you have the right rig.

Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually.


Here you go. Granted its incursions but the same tactic will work for anoms


1) That guy is using stratioses and not carriers
2) Microing 3 squads of fighters is the same work as microing a 5-flight of drones.
3) In addition to that the fighters also may need mwd + orbiting
4) The Carriers do MUCH more dmg than stratioses. You will need to lock and attack multiple times as much.

Microing 1 Carrier is already easily as much work as microing 3+ stratioses. Show me someone microing 6 stratioses while generating a 20mil+ tick without using assist/guard and I'll start to beleave you.


Plus drones auto-aggro which helps a lot with multiboxing.
Random Freak
Doomheim
#2108 - 2017-06-13 10:33:02 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


True Sansha Dreads (the seldom faction kind) give 120mil bounties.

.


My bad then. Since i reside in Delve, i've only ever encountered the Bloodraider Dreads which are at 60m bounty. Thanks.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2109 - 2017-06-13 10:34:26 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


1) That guy is using stratioses and not carriers


Doesn't matter, its the tool he is using we are looking at not the ships.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:

2) Microing 3 squads of fighters is the same work as microing a 5-flight of drones.


A handful of clicks, you can easily operate 2-3 carriers using this system.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:

3) In addition to that the fighters also may need mwd + orbiting


And? The guys running incursions are having to operate a dosen ships including logi. I'm sure you can handle a handful of fighter squadrons.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:

4) The Carriers do MUCH more dmg than stratioses. You will need to lock and attack multiple times as much.


Does a carrier out damage a dosen incursion ships? I doubt it.
Mary Timeshift Jane
Doomheim
#2110 - 2017-06-13 10:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mary Timeshift Jane
baltec1 wrote:
You can very easily operate 2-3 supers/carriers using this system.


OK, proven. You don't have supercarrier and have no clue what you're talking about.
You just made a fool of yourself in front of every supercarrier pilot who's ever used it for PVE.
Well done.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#2111 - 2017-06-13 10:35:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


1) That guy is using stratioses and not carriers


Doesn't matter, its the tool he is using we are looking at not the ships.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:

2) Microing 3 squads of fighters is the same work as microing a 5-flight of drones.


A handful of clicks, you can easily operate 2-3 carriers using this system.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:

3) In addition to that the fighters also may need mwd + orbiting


And? The guys running incursions are having to operate a dosen ships including logi. I'm sure you can handle a handful of fighter squadrons.

Destriouth Hollow wrote:

4) The Carriers do MUCH more dmg than stratioses. You will need to lock and attack multiple times as much.


Does a carrier out damage a dosen incursion ships? I doubt it.



Such tools will get your account banned however (:
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#2112 - 2017-06-13 10:43:53 UTC
Random Freak wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


True Sansha Dreads (the seldom faction kind) give 120mil bounties.

.


My bad then. Since i reside in Delve, i've only ever encountered the Bloodraider Dreads which are at 60m bounty. Thanks.


You have the same in your region. They are just very rare and called "Dark Blood Dreadnought":
https://zkillboard.com/ship/41397/
Kalioria
Spartan Vanguard
#2113 - 2017-06-13 10:44:46 UTC
Axhind wrote:

Capitals in incursions? Since when? Have you actually done carrier ratting since the changes to fighter mechanics? LInking some random guy multiboxing subcaps is not evidence of carrier/super multiboxing.

In null sec incursions can be closed in 1 day. All you need ~7-8 supers, 3-4 carriers, 2 fax. + Fill fleet with alts on frigs to get 60 people in fleet.
If you close it in one day you get 25x45 mil is + 250k LP (plus 10% bonus for most contributors) per each char.
In best situation you can farm in such way for ~week, or at least 3-4 days.
Closing each site that allows 60 people in fleet takes around 15 minutes in such setup.

Accepting isk donations for ammo.
Random Freak
Doomheim
#2114 - 2017-06-13 10:47:50 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
Random Freak wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


True Sansha Dreads (the seldom faction kind) give 120mil bounties.

.


My bad then. Since i reside in Delve, i've only ever encountered the Bloodraider Dreads which are at 60m bounty. Thanks.


You have the same in your region. They are just very rare and called "Dark Blood Dreadnought":
https://zkillboard.com/ship/41397/


I did get those about 2 or 3 times since i have started flying a carrier, but i remember those being at 60m bounty (48m with ESS) and not 120m.
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
#2115 - 2017-06-13 10:50:02 UTC
Random Freak wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
Random Freak wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


True Sansha Dreads (the seldom faction kind) give 120mil bounties.

.


My bad then. Since i reside in Delve, i've only ever encountered the Bloodraider Dreads which are at 60m bounty. Thanks.


You have the same in your region. They are just very rare and called "Dark Blood Dreadnought":
https://zkillboard.com/ship/41397/


I did get those about 2 or 3 times since i have started flying a carrier, but i remember those being at 60m bounty (48m with ESS) and not 120m.


You are talking about the "Blood Dreadnought" which is 60mil and not the "Dark Blood Dreadnought", which is 120mil.
Here is the regular "Blood Dreadnought":
https://zkillboard.com/ship/37463/
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#2116 - 2017-06-13 10:50:50 UTC
Kalioria wrote:
Axhind wrote:

Capitals in incursions? Since when? Have you actually done carrier ratting since the changes to fighter mechanics? LInking some random guy multiboxing subcaps is not evidence of carrier/super multiboxing.

In null sec incursions can be closed in 1 day. All you need ~7-8 supers, 3-4 carriers, 2 fax. + Fill fleet with alts on frigs to get 60 people in fleet.
If you close it in one day you get 25x45 mil is + 250k LP (plus 10% bonus for most contributors) per each char.
In best situation you can farm in such way for ~week, or at least 3-4 days.
Closing each site that allows 60 people in fleet takes around 15 minutes in such setup.


Maybe they have changed the incursions but the ones I've done have all been gated so no capitals in them.
ApolloF117 HUN
The All-Seeing Eye
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#2117 - 2017-06-13 10:51:05 UTC
Now that we finally nerfed fighter damage output again, time to buff back thier application
Kalioria
Spartan Vanguard
#2118 - 2017-06-13 10:53:00 UTC
Axhind wrote:

Maybe they have changed the incursions but the ones I've done have all been gated so no capitals in them.


They are still gated, but in null sec gates have no limitations for what can pass it. Some guys jumped through with titans, but that was less effective than mothership.

Accepting isk donations for ammo.
Random Freak
Doomheim
#2119 - 2017-06-13 10:55:41 UTC
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
Random Freak wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:
Random Freak wrote:
Destriouth Hollow wrote:


True Sansha Dreads (the seldom faction kind) give 120mil bounties.

.


My bad then. Since i reside in Delve, i've only ever encountered the Bloodraider Dreads which are at 60m bounty. Thanks.


You have the same in your region. They are just very rare and called "Dark Blood Dreadnought":
https://zkillboard.com/ship/41397/


I did get those about 2 or 3 times since i have started flying a carrier, but i remember those being at 60m bounty (48m with ESS) and not 120m.


You are talking about the "Blood Dreadnought" which is 60mil and not the "Dark Blood Dreadnought", which is 120mil.
Here is the regular "Blood Dreadnought":
https://zkillboard.com/ship/37463/


And learned something new. Thank you.
kortes272
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2120 - 2017-06-13 11:00:58 UTC
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