Crime & Punishment

No salt from me, I just find it highly amusing that certain Gankers will yell out CONCORD whore in one breath while keeping their head down over the simple fact that their bumper is protected by CONCORD.

You and me too, I find the simple fact that certain null sec alliances move Forts and even Keepstars without an escort amazing, but in terms of the normal joe, as most hisec corps are one man corps the only escort they will have is at most a scout or a webber, in reality what you need is four guys willing and able to gank the Macherial in 4 Talos if properly tanked and the risk reward on that kinda sucks...

And that is the point, I find it amusing too that people are commenting on people not working together in hisec where most people play as solo indy players. Are you really surprised?

Also can you talk risk reward on that one? All risk and no reward..., no wonder it only happens every so often by dedicated AG players. Dom perhaps you can give them some respect for those ganks? Kaely was able to say nice things about Jennifer en Marland...

Absolutely, so you do have it in you, o7 to you for that.

But you seem rather quiet on the risk reward side of things in terms of ganking bumpers in reply to your statement, yet you ganker types go on and on about risk and reward when it suits your narrative. I just find that rather amusing in terms of ignoring that element of the equation...

As do I, but the question was about risk and reward for ganking a bumper., all risk and no reward and yet you wonder why people do not do it? Just seems so obvious to me, and that is because I had set up 4 Talos to do this, but could not find anyone else willing to do it when I was active. Never mind...

I can see both sides of this. I've had plenty of experience with salty carebears and AG..on the other hand, I also have plenty of experience with those who like to talk about actions, but seldom muster the gall to enact said actions. Everyone has an opinion, but those who chose to step up their game and follow through with actions are the ones who deserve respect. A prime example are certain people who post here in C&P. Most will talk a big game, or will complain with salty tears, but lack the fortitude to do anything about it but whine and cry. Many expect someone else to take the actions they themselves lack the will or ability to do themselves. Anyone can be a forum warrior, but few will actually put their money where their mouths are and do something about it..with actions, not words. This applies to both sides of the coin.

Drac, you know I support the content creation CODE provides to the game. Without them, or other entities such as mercs, Eve would lack that element of danger that makes the game so unique. You never know what lies around the next corner or when your number is up. In a way, it ads a realism (as realistic as you can get in internet spaceships) that all other games lack.

I agree with Dom in the fact that there is a lot of salty AG and that respect is earned. I also agree with you that some do deserve respect. However, I am one who is more inclined to give respect to those who are proactive rather than reactive, which is what the majority of AG is.

We've already been over what it is I don't like about how AG operates, so I'll spare the opinions. If that's the way they wanna play, more power to them. If it is recognition, however, that they seek, a more proactive style of play or intervention is needed. I'm sure CODE would welcome such innovation...after all, for them it's about content and getting the player base to be engaged.

In this vast world of internet spaceships, someone has to play the "bad guy"..or this game would have died long ago. Eve is not for everyone..She is a fickle mistress that sorts out the worthy, the capable, and the ones willing to adapt. Those players are what Eve is. Everyone wants to be a rockstar..but if you can't make music or are unwilling or unable to learn and adapt to the business..well...

Actually you can fund yourself off tears. Especially from the right people in the right place. I once killed a goon and his booster alt in Lanngisi who was making use of drones shooting back when you attacked the mobile tractor unit in the first month of their release. Anywho the fact he was a goon, was crying in local to leave him alone 'I haven't done anything to you why are you doing this' etc and had just spent the last 30 mins shooting peoples MTU's when I trolled him in local and linked his KM and his booster KM local started trolling him. He got salty and suddenly convo's and isk deposits started rolling in. Some people paid me small ammounts while 1 guy paid me the value of both KM's. After all was said and done 2 of us split a little under 5bil for 15mins of tracking and killing. Taught me a valuable lesson about how to turn tears into isk

We are all Eve players, there are some people who wrongly believe that ganking should not be part of the game and yet what they say is often used to paint the AG players as being like that, as I said to you before my experience was that the majority of AG players accepted that ganking was part of the game, the disagreement was on some of the massive advantages that I detailed here and that sort of does get to people once they see it over time. They end up with contempt for the gankers and even worse for the game, contempt for CCP.

I never took to heart people sounding off after a loss, I blew up players in Stain who would go off about something or other with my mother, I just laughed, it is people letting off steam. But my tolerance for people getting uptight is not shared by all.

You say proactive, but in reality after looking at the mechanics and the strategies used it is not really possible, I detailed here that there is no reward for ganking the bumper, so AG can only do a limited amount of this type of action, they did go after scouts and that was very effective, I funded some people doing this, do you expect that the solo indy focused player in hisec can do it? I don't, well I know they can't.

Also I don't think that there is any issue with playing the bad guy, that is the challenge of Eve, part of the fun for me is thriving in this environment, I like testing myself against others, but I do not head butt a brick wall when the mechanics give too much of an advantage. In reality the gankers are no threat to me at all, which I have explained and which Black Pedro has explained, but impacting the gankers is really hard, I could go into a lot of detail on that and have, but people will hate me for it so I won't. But if you want to give me suggestions on how to be proactive in terms of the AG going after the gankers I would be interested to hear your views.

Damn that is awesome, I have been given rewards for saving people, got 1bn for one jump freighter which I bumped out of optimal at the right time, but it was NCDOT., not the poor saps in hisec....

I stopped 'saving freighters' as opposed to killing gankers when one freighter pilot told me 'but thats your job' when I asked for a donation for saving him. I lost 2 ospreys cause duel and was told that's my job... Ever since anytime I've 'anti ganked' it's been focused on catching gankers with KR's before they warp to grid. Bloody greedy freighter pilots :D

I ran out of time to continue this post as wife aggro, the counter bumping works in one way, which is counter bump the freighter to slow it down so it can warp and have people in interceptors or fast frigates at different points in the direction of travel so it can warp to them. This requires the freighter pilot to actually talk to you and trust you, which is an issue in itself. One of my last AG actions was saving an incursion runners bowhead in this way, with him accepting the fleet and a new AG player doing the fast frigate job, he warped out as the gank fleet arrived at their initial perch.

As for the smart bomb approach, do you know their perch and if they have SB's don't forget they have 50+ km range, so where are you going to smart bomb them? Again think it through, it is not me being ridiculous, until you actually try it yourself your comments are hot air.