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Op, you are 100% correct!

This is outrageous!

This is too far!

Can I have your stuff, please?

I just think that carriers did not need another nerf overall, but only in those anomalies. That would be perfect way of dealing with this situation.

Sure, punish everyone for something caused by a very specific minority using something (fighter squadrons) that weren't' well thought out.

Sorry, no.

N+1 is a b*tch.

"Mkay, let's balance fighter squadrons for the assumption of N+1 bored PvErs running anomalies N+1 hours a day, with N being anything between the current number and 1000% of it..."

The pure fact we are even discussing people running anomalies in carriers, shows how far out of whack Null space has become.

It is frankly a joke that Sov Null is now so safe that bounty prizes can be so distorted by a tiny percentage of the player base in Null.

A sickness crept into this game between ex-Null sec developers, Null sec CSMs and Null sec bitching. Now the game is warped to the point where Sov Null has become the safest most profitable option.

We need a surgeon to cut out this cancer.

No, just shows that you don't know much about null. People have been running anoms with Carriers for years. The problem is simply the introduction of Fighter Squadrons, which CCP introduced without thinking about or understanding that what is effective for PVP can be overpowered for PVE.

Before fighter squadrons, many of the people now injected into carriers were doing other things for isk like High Sec incursions, FW missions and other top end PVe things. When people found out how much you can make via the new fighter squadrons, they flocked to it like people flocked to to Rorqual recently and Incursions in the beginning before the 1st nerf.

Some of those people don't even live in null sec they just injected and then put the character into a renter corp or a noob alliance like Brave oor Horde. It has nothing to do with 'null sec' beyond the fact that that is where the anomalies are (in the same way that many incursion runners were null sec or wormhole alts).

The issue is people looking for and finding easy isk making, people like that don't have any 'borders'.

They are punishing everyone using carriers for every reason there is, if they use fighters.

The changes targeting fighters may have been done by introducing fighter menace to anomalies, NPCs very effective against fighters. One simple change and not a nerhammer to the shin for carriers.

So they would have to code new NPCs, rather than just fix the thing they know caused the problem?

See, that's nonsense. Fighter Squadrons caused the problem. Fix fighter squadrons. Why is it such a hard idea for people to get, you fix the thing that caused the problem not everything else.

If a car gets a flat tire you don't replace the engine, you fix the tire. Fighter Squadrons are the tire...

PvP is fun, anomalies are boring anyway.

Of the two things CCP choose to nerf the wrong thing, they nerfed weapon and not the means of aquiring bounties by them.

That's convenience mostly ( I'm sure the watch list thing didn't help matters though). I was talking about 'safety', particularly the dumb idea of null sec (the place with no magical space police) being 'safe'. The only thing that improved Capital safety was jump fatigue, but even now super and capitals and get killed. And I personally don't use my carrier for ratting, because my MJD Battleships survive better.

The whole point of what I've been saying that is that you can take all those other side issue people talk about and add them up and they don't amount to anything if you don't have Fighter Squadrons. You take away fighter squadrons and give Carriers and Supers their old style Fighters and Fighter Bombers and the Money supply doesn't increase near as much as it did with fighter squadrons.

Fighter squadrons (and the fighter interface that makes controlling them easier than controlling normal drones) are the "grouped guns" of drones, and just like PVE site times across New Eden decreased greatly when CCP introduced group guns around 2010/2011, so too has it happened with Fighter Drones. All the other things people are talking about (like aegis sov and anomalies not having gates, and no major wars going on) are red herrings.




On a side note this is why I always tell people to be cautious about asking for changes. EVE is a complicated, interconnected thing and no one (including CCP) can real grasp how one thing will affect dozens of others. Now one expected Fighter Squadrons (and all the things that helped exacerbate their power, like Skill injectors and the isolating effects of jump fatigue/jump distance) to have such a negative effect on things, but they did.