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I guess I should post on the public forums as well since Reddit is taken with a grain of salt.

This nerf is bad for the game and the gamers associated with it. Since the previous nerf bat the fighters were already in a bad place in regards to pvp, defanging supers and carriers alike is an easy task for any small-mid sized cruiser gang. This means that my carrier sits more than it did before the last patch already. Less opportunity to use my carrier toon means I don't want to sub that account if it sits all day. I do sub it though for the pve content, which in turn puts another capital out there for someone to gank and possibly create content on any random night where I'm trying to make isk. It also adds a possible carrier to our standing fleets in the situation where we might escalate to some crazy fight that can hit the gaming magazines and vlogs or chatted about on some podcast.

That same toon is at the point where it can purchase a super. It's survived the countless hours out there grinding away producing a million clicks actively (because carrier ratting isn't afk in case some of you at ccp don't know) locking and shooting these sansha rats before the decimate my fighters. I've skilled up my carrier toon to good skills, poured months in to this toon and effectively years of focus and probably days of thought and planning. I don't want to put this toon in a super now though. It's in a terrible place with regards to pvp AND now with the upcoming changes pve too.

What does that mean for me now that my next step in the game has been removed from me?

I simply don't play. Citadels have destroyed pvp. Gone are the days of content generation.. lets go hit some timers on thursday to see if we can get a fight doesn't really exist unless it's for some moon way out there that we don't even want. If you hit one citadel (which is an incredible task with even 1 person defending) it doesn't matter because they can go spend a mere 2b and asset safety their stuff on over like its nothing.

WH content is also 1 sided for me now. I used to enjoy going in random holes and searching for undefended pos's to hit and possibly score some loot. That's gone. Every hole is littered with random citadels now, abandoned but too difficult for me to spend two weeks to see if there's anything in there... I guess I should say 0 sided because I'm not actively ratting any more so I'm also not producing content for them to come and generate. So that's gone too.

I was rorq mining, post first patch (maybe the second one too) making a paltry 200m per hour for putting a hot 12b on the line and hanging out whilst waiting for someone to come along and play with us. That was nerfed in to the ground, pointless now. -1 more toon. I injected for this and made my money back so it's no big deal. It was fun though while it lasted.

So as a null sec player what's left?

PVP is a shell of it's former self with the introduction of citadels. PVE has been nerfed to the ground in regards to capitals which is the stage I'm at (I'm not going back to VNI'S). I could probably figure out how to bot with a tengu which I see is pretty easy and you guys don't punish reported botters but that's not really my thing. WH content is dead. 10/10s are a thing of the past for me. Oh yeah, you guys do those little events here and there but honestly they're pretty lame. The sites are super basic. Data/Relic sites!? NVM, I've ran thousands of them and the loot sucks compared to the loot spout days (which btw I really enjoyed trying to grab those cans floating away). I've ran logistics but honestly the servers have been too funky for a hot minute and I'm basically scared to death to have a dc whilst my jf is on the line.

I haven't played the past couple months because I was burnt out from the lack of content and nerfing of pve content in regards to the rorq/fighter sigs. I was kind of getting the itch again because of the upcoming AT stuff, that would give me something to chat about and look forward to while I filled my time with pve. Things like this nerf show me how blind your staff is some times in regards to other serious problems with this game.

Citadels are destroying pvp. Ghost farming/botters/citadels are bloating the economy, not the one dude out there in a super/carrier grinding his weekend away trying to plex an account or two. It's crazy to me. Listen to these people that play the game and start addressing the things people are trying to tell you.

They're going to lose a lot of money next month once scripts run out, I hope they listen to the community and develop isk sinks instead of nerf batting (20% damage!! Seriously CCP) our endgame ships. At the very least this decision should be held until more discussion and testing can be performed.

I just want to highlight this sentence. In stead of AFK ratting like Vexor/VNI, Carrier ratting do need to pay a lot attention on controlling the fighters. Not much people could ratting in a Carrier for like 23/7 as those AFK ratting ship.

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The fact that "PVE super" is now a common thing is evidence of insane level of safety brought to vast areas of the galaxy thanks to jump fatigue.

owww my god really carnet believe how stupid ccp are . they will kill the game if this happens ..last game I played did the same things over and over again just like this ..and the game is on it last legs after being around for over 10 years ...they really need to rethink this before it goes live

It is all a plot to steal more intelligent and workable idea's from the player base.

Where exactly do the graphs show >carriers< responsible for the ISK influx? While bounty is the highest index on the income graph, it needs to be stated that it has always been so. The extra influx is coming from Alpha clones being drafted into nullsec alliances and thought to AFK rat in drone cruisers. CCP claims to make a stand against passive isk income while doing little to nothing in terms of punishing bot users and solving AFK cruiser ratting. Funny how on the same release as carrier nerfs, the Vexor and Ishtar models are getting a re-work :))) ...

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Actually.... what if CCP is unsatisfied with people ratting in carriers -- since they are making enough ISK to live by with just 1 account, because carrier multiboxing cant be done? What if their true intention with this whole nerf is to get people who used carriers to move into Ishtars and PLEX 1-2 more accounts in order to get to the same level of income as they had on their carrier? Afterall, more PLEX is more cash from the cash cow, right?

Bring me a tinfoil hat. I might just be on to something... ;)

So if I PLEX 2 more accounts, will you leave carriers alone, CCP? Maybe all carrier pilots need to PLEX more accounts and that will satisfy their greed.

Just kidding, ofc. Still unsubbing -- though not before I help every player I know open their eyes to CCP's garbage politics and logic.
This is starting to smell a bit like the Incarna scandal, does it not? Have you forgotten already, CCP?

Nerfing PVP ships because you are not able to properly design PVE content is plain stupid

The fact that the dramatic spike in Bounties from about 40 Trillion isk to today's 70 Trillion isk can be traced back to the patch that buffed carriers. Given that Vexors & Ishtars have been around in their current form for significantly longer, and if it were profitable to the tune of 30 trillion isk to put more alts doing it, people would have done it with subbed alts, it's a reasonable assumption to guess that Alpha's in Vexors are not responsible for the sudden jump and that it is instead carriers.
Furthermore Quant is almost certainly capable of pulling more detailed metrics from the system like 'what ship was someone in when they got paid/killed a rat' and probably does know what he's talking about when he says that the spike is carriers.
Especially when the player accessible data supports that statement.

I.E. Stop trying to blame someone else and accept that it is carriers causing the massive spike.