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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Kaze Mester
Perkone
Caldari State
#1201 - 2017-06-10 14:45:50 UTC
Where is the sub-unsub report i've been asking for CCP? Specially since this awesome nerf announcement.
Paul Brinkhoff
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#1202 - 2017-06-10 14:46:45 UTC
The irony is that ccp keeps pushing more and more expensive pirate faction capitals, supercapitals and titans into the game.

Also the intro of skill injectors actively makes the players feel that they need to grind more and more isk to keep up with the upcomming armsrace caused by the above mentioned ships. CCP made it possible to buy SP with isk.


But oh god please dont actually grind that isk it ruins the economy.

Other things like citadels that prevent major conflicts from happening are untouched.

The main issue is that CCP does not want feedback from the playerbase or the csm and now tries to justify bullshit by trying to create a "fight the 1%" narrative backed up by lies.

The isk does not come from ratting capitals, as those do not scale. You simple can not multibox supers and carriers for ratting purposes.

The effortless afk farming of anomes with a shitton of accounts simultaniously is the issue, not the carrier or the super that actually puts 25+ bil isk out there and is hunted for reddit swag.

Yes I do carrier rat and ofc the changes will have an impact on my income but that is not my issue with those changes. CCP now pretending I am some 1% dudes responsible for RMT and the collapse of the economy yada yada and that I therefore need to be punished is a big slap right into my face.

It is due to bad game design that those problems exist not due to my 75m ticks in my niddy.
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1203 - 2017-06-10 14:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rah McGee
Aldent Arkanon wrote:

The damage reduction is significant. They're already really easy to jam out or defang, the balancing factor for that in the past was that they at least did respectable damage, now with that being nerfed hard its hard to justify using them at all. Also they do need tackle to PvP against subs unless the subcap pilot(s) are incredibly dumb and cant find the warp button. If a subcap or a subcap fleet isn't tackled they can just leave, its kinda simple. Not to mention that properly fitted 100mn nano cruisers can simply ignore fighters if they have the slightest idea as to how to pilot them properly.


Yes, 100mn t3cs or HACs is all we can fly in null because everything else dies almost instantly. You can outjam or defang 3 maybe 5 carriers but not 10+, because this + fax is what you are usually getting dropped on you. And you die because sirens are a thing, dromis are a thing. In my opinion carriers should be dead meat without subcap support, just like dreads are.
Arix Petra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1204 - 2017-06-10 14:54:22 UTC
CCP please keep mining the salt from the juicy rich null bears! Big smile
Cpt WhiteEye
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#1205 - 2017-06-10 14:58:58 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
Aldent Arkanon wrote:

The damage reduction is significant. They're already really easy to jam out or defang, the balancing factor for that in the past was that they at least did respectable damage, now with that being nerfed hard its hard to justify using them at all. Also they do need tackle to PvP against subs unless the subcap pilot(s) are incredibly dumb and cant find the warp button. If a subcap or a subcap fleet isn't tackled they can just leave, its kinda simple. Not to mention that properly fitted 100mn nano cruisers can simply ignore fighters if they have the slightest idea as to how to pilot them properly.


Yes, 100mn t3cs or HACs is all we can fly in null because everything else dies almost instantly. You can outjam or defang 3 maybe 5 carriers but not 10+, because this + fax is what you are usually getting dropped on you. And you die because sirens are a thing, dromis are a thing. In my opinion carriers should be dead meat without subcap support, just like dreads are.



So you are upset because the 10 of you can only defang 5 carriers and cant do much about 10+. Tell me more pls.
Agent Hunt3r
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1206 - 2017-06-10 15:11:38 UTC
CCP is dumb. You've got Rorqs mining 400 mil per hour, but no ratting equiv.
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1207 - 2017-06-10 15:15:03 UTC
And we thought carebear tears were sweet.


My cup overfloweth with nullbear tears. We're eating good tonight
Backz Banny
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1208 - 2017-06-10 15:15:31 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
Aldent Arkanon wrote:

The damage reduction is significant. They're already really easy to jam out or defang, the balancing factor for that in the past was that they at least did respectable damage, now with that being nerfed hard its hard to justify using them at all. Also they do need tackle to PvP against subs unless the subcap pilot(s) are incredibly dumb and cant find the warp button. If a subcap or a subcap fleet isn't tackled they can just leave, its kinda simple. Not to mention that properly fitted 100mn nano cruisers can simply ignore fighters if they have the slightest idea as to how to pilot them properly.


Yes, 100mn t3cs or HACs is all we can fly in null because everything else dies almost instantly. You can outjam or defang 3 maybe 5 carriers but not 10+, because this + fax is what you are usually getting dropped on you. And you die because sirens are a thing, dromis are a thing. In my opinion carriers should be dead meat without subcap support, just like dreads are.


ah, ACHTUNG PARTIZANEN...

aren't you the guys who sometimes come to delve to try and f**k with us? in your gang of a couple of people in some cruisers?

and you are complaining about our well organized home defense with carriers being able to handle you? we are fielding a sh*tton more of ISK on field (risking a bait and counterdrop), relying on the effort of way more people than you see on grid (intel, cloaked hics on gates etc), heck, we probably drop as many carriers as you bring small staff.

so what does that tell me about the nature of your judgement on this topic?
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1209 - 2017-06-10 15:15:58 UTC
Cpt WhiteEye wrote:

So you are upset because the 10 of you can only defang 5 carriers and cant do much about 10+. Tell me more pls.


And you are upset now that 5 carriers can't chase away fully formed 30 man gang with logi and everything. Tell me more pls.
Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
#1210 - 2017-06-10 15:16:20 UTC
Paul Brinkhoff wrote:
The irony is that ccp keeps pushing more and more expensive pirate faction capitals, supercapitals and titans into the game.

Also the intro of skill injectors actively makes the players feel that they need to grind more and more isk to keep up with the upcomming armsrace caused by the above mentioned ships. CCP made it possible to buy SP with isk.


But oh god please dont actually grind that isk it ruins the economy.

Other things like citadels that prevent major conflicts from happening are untouched.

The main issue is that CCP does not want feedback from the playerbase or the csm and now tries to justify bullshit by trying to create a "fight the 1%" narrative backed up by lies.

The isk does not come from ratting capitals, as those do not scale. You simple can not multibox supers and carriers for ratting purposes.

The effortless afk farming of anomes with a shitton of accounts simultaniously is the issue, not the carrier or the super that actually puts 25+ bil isk out there and is hunted for reddit swag.

Yes I do carrier rat and ofc the changes will have an impact on my income but that is not my issue with those changes. CCP now pretending I am some 1% dudes responsible for RMT and the collapse of the economy yada yada and that I therefore need to be punished is a big slap right into my face.

It is due to bad game design that those problems exist not due to my 75m ticks in my niddy.


Well said
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1211 - 2017-06-10 15:17:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rah McGee
Backz Banny wrote:

so what does that tell me about the nature of your judgement on this topic?


Basically when you are not in carriers and supers you are ****.


Backz Banny wrote:
we probably drop as many carriers as you bring small staff.

Not for long, as I understand all of you unsubscribed now *kappaface*
Backz Banny
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1212 - 2017-06-10 15:19:04 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
Backz Banny wrote:

so what does that tell me about the nature of your judgement on this topic?


Basically when you are not in carriers and supers you are ****.


Backz Banny wrote:
we probably drop as many carriers as you bring small staff.

Not for long, as I understand all of you unsubscribed now *kappaface*


that is not an answer to the question, is it?
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1213 - 2017-06-10 15:21:34 UTC
Backz Banny wrote:

that is not an answer to the question, is it?


What question? That carriers are bullshit? I am so glad that they get a nerfbat and I don't even care what you have to say because outside your krabing experience and maybe some krab defense fleet you have no clue what you are talking about.
Sassura
Sassy's Corporation
#1214 - 2017-06-10 15:24:03 UTC
Agent Hunt3r wrote:
CCP is dumb. You've got Rorqs mining 400 mil per hour, but no ratting equiv.


Multiboxing rorquals, yes. Single rorquals don't get close to 200 mil. Of course there is a ratting equivalent, it's multiboxing subs caps via smart bombing or drone boats. Plenty of people do it, and they are laughing right now.
mrammo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1215 - 2017-06-10 15:35:47 UTC
CCP you are killing conflict drivers! Everyone is just accumulating assets. Give us something worth fighting for! Give us a reason to consume!
Kaze Mester
Perkone
Caldari State
#1216 - 2017-06-10 15:41:11 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
Backz Banny wrote:

that is not an answer to the question, is it?


What question? That carriers are bullshit? I am so glad that they get a nerfbat and I don't even care what you have to say because outside your krabing experience and maybe some krab defense fleet you have no clue what you are talking about.


Why do you want us to care about what you want to say than? Respect each other's opinion and argue.
Both sides, pve and pvp have their own good and bad points. We were having a discussion about how CCP "handles" things nowdays and their "dontcareaboutcustomers" style communication.
Arguing is for adults though...what explains a lot. Or could.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1217 - 2017-06-10 15:46:01 UTC
Mad Bosnian wrote:
Atm I can earn 70 million with my Thanatos

After patch I could earn around 55-60 million per tick.


So, can this "help economy"? You took 30 million ISK less per hour and that's nothing, you need to nerf it even more. Roll

You moved 2 carriers from "almost useless" to "don't touch that"


So, you guys didn't do anything, I will still buy PLEX and I won't give you a single dime


Yes so much better to indirectly promote paying CCP $19.99/month (or more) for that sub. That'll teach 'em!

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Rah McGee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1218 - 2017-06-10 15:46:50 UTC
Kaze Mester wrote:

Why do you want us to care about what you want to say than? Respect each other's opinion and argue.
Both sides, pve and pvp have their own good and bad points. We were having a discussion about how CCP "handles" things nowdays and their "dontcareaboutcustomers" style communication.
Arguing is for adults though...what explains a lot. Or could.


I don't know how to argue someone who thinks that dropping more ISK on grid deserves more kills and reward.
Kaze Mester
Perkone
Caldari State
#1219 - 2017-06-10 15:50:03 UTC
Rah McGee wrote:
Kaze Mester wrote:

Why do you want us to care about what you want to say than? Respect each other's opinion and argue.
Both sides, pve and pvp have their own good and bad points. We were having a discussion about how CCP "handles" things nowdays and their "dontcareaboutcustomers" style communication.
Arguing is for adults though...what explains a lot. Or could.


I don't know how to argue someone who thinks that dropping more ISK on grid deserves more kills and reward.


Than ignore.

We will see what ship gets the nerf next...guess T3's.
GoddessOfPeace Ishikela
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1220 - 2017-06-10 15:50:19 UTC
Arix Petra wrote:
CCP please keep mining the salt from the juicy rich null bears! Big smile


Not really, they kill also LowSex man. They hurt a lot more small entities of LS who trying def their home with 2-3 carriers because now battle archon gonna get like 800 dps maybe 900 with pimp.... even dominix or rattle will do better and gonna be cheaper.

Because CCP still not started play his own game