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30% at no point should you ever need to nerf something by this much. You either havent been watching the damage output or this is a gut instinct call instead of stats. Tuning should be done in not more than 10% intervals. You guys keep swinging the balance of all your content out of whack. Then everyone scrambles to the next best means and you repeat it again. Please stop announcing changes without actually having a discussion with the player base. Not CSM the actual player base.

The first change to address the PVE issues should not have even included touching the ship. Every ship in the game has access to this same content. The problem is the faucet aka the Bounties and EHP of he rats themselves. Things you can do without affecting the PVP capabilities of these shipts

- A) Reduce rat sig radius
- B) Increase resistance and EHP
- C) Reduce how often these anomalies spawn aka cool down maybe 30 - 60 mins after a full set has been cleared. This would also encourage people to spread out and own more space or occupy it. More dangerous more rewarding to have a system to yourself
- D) Reduce the total bounty of each complex and or Individual NPCs
- E) Increase the risk of these sites by changing the profile of the Rats ie' damage capabilities.
- F) Reduce overall fighter health in combination w/ increasing their aggro. This would also have a small positive effect on the fighter market
-G) Add some variety of smaller complexes that have decent rewards but dont allow Carriers/ Supers into them and put them on the spawn cycle as Haven's ETC. Similar to how you have Burner Missions
-H) Add webbing towers that prioritize drones/ and fighters

I don't rat in a super but this just feels like the wrong tool for the job. Please reconsider these changes. PVP capabilities should absolutely not be limited due to poor planning on your part to design PVE with the future in mind.

when you are going to get 30m ticks most likely post patch and you loose 2-3 fighters per site your going to me making a measly 20m at that point you might as well be in a ishtar imo

Lol. The top 1% would never bother to rat in a single carrier. That's something poor long-time-players do. The top 1% doesnt need ratting/mining and if they do they multibox 10 rorquals.

Mind to elaborate?

I have 3 active accounts and I pay with real money for all my subscriptions to support your miserable company. Ratting is what I do to buy pvp ships and pvp. I guarantee you if you online this patch I will unsubscribe all my accounts.

people with these nerfs which have been implemented head strong like this , it very much seems like CCP is killing their game intentionally just so they dont get a fall out when they finally pull the plug or sell the eve online IP off ! to me my opinions stands that this is just a bunch of processes one would take ether to introduce a new game or get ride of the game i might be wrong here but thats what it seems like to me.

On the other hand i have one account was just about to make a new one once i had got my self into a nid so that seem pointless now. seems better to just rate in a marauder am sure many would disagrees with that but its the best fastest i have access to now , and yes he is wrong this will kill it for little guys like me who just recently got into null and wanted to do less pve and more pvp i have even disabled my account in solidarity with you my people , that was really my next goal after the marauder i had a few days left to fly it oh well , star citizen seems about perfect at this time :) , might as well use the time i would have used on eve to start working on mods for it .

why is ccp committing suicide ?

i dont understand why CCP always use the nerf aproach....

if there is issues with capital ratting in sites designed for sub-caps, then fix that by preventing caps to enter and create sites for capitals only and make sure isk income is only slighly higher then subcap sites!?

doing nerfs to rorqual is ok if you also made sure that lets say the industry mode is shorter = less risk or reduce the ammount of Elite Drone AI required to build them also...
that way the risk/reward follow....

Dont Nerf, change the game instead to bring joy and exitement.... Nerfing is just not always the way.

you know at this point though...its not so much even about the nerf anymore its more of taking a stand as a group as players showing just how much we are unhappy with the direction the game is taking.

ccp has ignored the subtle approach many of us have taken over the years and it would seem the only way to make a impact on the company's decisions is to affect the share holders.

you flat out dont just bite the hand that feeds you

Hey CCP.

First and foremost, I play this game to PVP.

I don't have anywhere near as much spare time as I used to be able to dedicate to the game, because real life has been kicking my ass lately, so at best I might get say 10-15 hours a week to spend gaming.

Now, I'm a member of a small nullsec sovholding alliance (~500 "members", maybe 100ish real people across multiple timezones). We don't have SRP (it's simply not big enough for that kind of thing) and doctrines tend to be fairly fluid as we respond to different threats.

As with any alliance in this situation, we have various frig, destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser and battleship fleets. Along with entosis, counter entosis fleets, etc.

Due to the number of members that may or many not be available at any one time, people also have to take into account there may just be 8 people in fleet, there may be more when coming up with useable doctrines.

Faction ships have often been used, because well, they tend to put out more damage and be more useable in smaller groups.

Since your announcement on the changes to faction battleship BPC drops, the prices of faction battleships have skyrocketed. So now we won't be running a faction BS comp anymore and have to find something else viable to use.

So, new ship comp to buy? Well, you have to make the ISK for that somehow, time to go grind the (for arguments sake) 300m for a ship or two for this new comp.

Now I hate ratting, but okay I'm going to have to go out and do that to pay for some new ships.

The only worse thing than ratting? Doing it with no engagement in the game. So no, I'm not going to go afk rat in a VNI/Ishtar.

Okay, so I'll go sit in a carrier that involves actually playing the game and having to pay complete attention to it at all times, because now thanks to your last changes if you're not paying attention for more than 2 seconds you can have a fighter alpha'd off field.

If I'm lucky, I might make 30m ticks off running havens (before corp tax comes in to play, that's 10%, so I'm actually making 27m every 20 minutes).

At the moment, that means I need (after tax) 12 ticks to make that 300m. That's 240 minutes of ratting, or 4 hours.
That means I now have just 6-11 hours left a week to spend playing games after ratting.

Now, you're saying you want to reduce the damage of light attack fighters by 20%. For arguments sake, let's say that simply means I make 20% less each tick. I've now got a 24m tick before tax, 21.6m tick after tax.

It's now taking me 14 ticks to make that same 300m. That's 280 minutes, or 4 hours and 40 minutes of ratting. Now leaving me between 5h 20m-10h 20m left to play each week instead.

This isn't even taking into account the cost of replacing fighters you loose in the few seconds you have to look away from a screen due to RL, which means it'll take even longer to make that ISK you needed - plus that's before these changes. After fighters get shot at "15% more" I hate to think what that'll do to how many die each time you rat.

So potentially, I end up having to spend almost as much time ratting which I hate, as I do actually being able to do something I enjoy in the game (PVP).

Not to mention that sometimes those ships will end up dying, and you'll have to repeat the process over again to replace it.

At this point it gets seriously tempting to say you know what? Time to ask CCP to refund the remainder of my subscriptions. I'm just going to spend my gaming time playing PUBG instead.

A carrier once killed my blackbird, the multiple logi didn't even had the strength to repair it, i was so pissed that It destroyed my ship so fast and in a cheap manner. I hope you sissy carrier 'pilots' get what coming to you.