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If CCP wants to improve the balance of the game, perhaps there should be more than five pve sites that people run.

Find out why people ignore the other goodness knows how many. What would get them to run that content? Who was the content designed for?

Ship balancing is all well and good, but you also need to balance the content around it and not balance ships around less than a quarter of that PVE content that's bringing ISK to the wallet of players who are actually presenting themselves as targets for the roaming gangs.

On the other topic, you CCP wanted people to use space with the introduction of the ADM index. People use their space but you don't like the income it has generated. That is not a ship balancing issue, that's a content issue.

For years null sec was barren and people were questioning why hold it. Now we have a reason to hold it and grow rich and risk more in combat regardless of the reason for the conflict it makes the game vibrant and alive.

In regards to Rorquals, I thought it was a great idea to have as many ships costing 10+B Isk in the same system seven days a week. That must have been a great thing for any hunting packs, knowing where there was generally some potentially juicy target and at least some are in a different fleet, poorly fitted or totally AFK and exempt from warp. Such is life.

The trouble with balancing a game retroactively is that you're stopping people from planning too far ahead so they may start not thinking about their long term goals in this great but awful game that we so love to hate and read about even when not subscribing or logging in to.

Instead create new PVE content for sub caps and caps, the PvP capabilities of each can then be measured. It really depends what CCP wants.

If they want a PvP game let all the players own all the money and don't worry about it. If they want a PvE experience just go right ahead and turn off PvP and create more danger and escalation and surprises from the AI.

It's your game and we're only along for the ride until we get bored or too frustrated to stay on. It's up to you. The players will remain loyal to the friends and community they've built up over the years.

Well, it isn't the number of players but how much ISK they are bringing into the economy.

Now, lets consider that CCP Quant is right, that it is a very small number of players responsible for this large increase in the money supply. You are correct that the solution CCP is embracing is not good in that it is overly broad. As I noted with simply nerfing bounties, CCP is doing something that may be less broad, but may be overly broad. Some players may not be using their carriers/supers for ratting, but do like/want to use them in PvP and this change adversely effects them.

A better solution would be one that is more targeted. One that gets at those who are pumping up the money supply.

The root cause to your problem, is NPC's sitting in one place to be farmed to the extreme. Conceptually, why would any military organisation keep on feeding meat into the grinder once it becomes clear it's hopeless?

(i.e. make NPC activity dynamic, so that they gradually 'give up' and leave an area, moving elsewhere)

I don't even plan ahead with this game until it is as predictable as a "normal" economy.
The only prediction is that when you find a way to earn a fair ammount of isk it will soon be nerfed...so don't even think about it.

What is wow is your bad post.

Skill injectors play, at best, a secondary role in ISK creation. The buying and selling of skill injectors does not create ISK. And the SP in the skill injectors has to come out of a character, as such there is an upper limit to how much SP are on the market at any one time. Or to put it differently to buy more SP you'd have to pay increasing amounts to ISK to induce players to part with their character's SP.

Atm I can earn 70 million with my Thanatos

After patch I could earn around 55-60 million per tick.


So, can this "help economy"? You took 30 million ISK less per hour and that's nothing, you need to nerf it even more.

You moved 2 carriers from "almost useless" to "don't touch that"


So, you guys didn't do anything, I will still buy PLEX and I won't give you a single dime

Explain to me why the idea is bad? It's actually better for casual players depending on how it's implemented:

You come online and rat for 2 hours > Bounty payout = 100% for those 2 hours
You rat for a further 2 hours > Bounty payout is 75% for those 2 hours.
You rat for indefined time thereafter > Bounty payout is 50% for remaining time until next DT which resets the cycle.

If you can't get time, then do it on ISK earned from bounty paid out. First 300 million is 100%, then drop to 75% for second 300 million, then drop to 50% thereafter. In what world does that harm a casual player? Most casual players will only play for a couple of hours in any given day so where does this idea that it's terrible for casual players come from?

The change as proposed by CCP just screws everyone, absolutely everyone, who got into carrier as the end-game of ratting. As has been pointed out, you're now just better off ratting in a sniper fit Rattle. You'll do as much damage and be just as safe. That's a joke for the cost in SP and ISK for the skills and the ship/fit. It doesn't matter which way you want to look at it a Cap should always be better than a subcap in the hands of equally skilled pilots.

Carriers aren't even the problem drone boats are as you have to engage with fighters, you can't just go AFK and let them clear entire sites for you.

Carrier ratting is something people with only a single active char excel at. It was the one way of people without armies of toons to at least somewhat compensate for it by earning as much as 1,5-2 chars with one highly active one, compared to the ppl mining with 13 chars.

I think CCP failed to look at what groups use it here. It was in a good place.
A good option for single-boxers, worthless for multiboxers.

Im not even considering the skill-time and price-tag.

Again: I'm a multiboxer and with perfect carrier skills, but carrier-ratting isnt even lucrative for me.

I was actually typing something meaningfull and well written here but then I realized rambeling about citadels, multiboxing, destroying content for the sake of advertising to a shrinking playerbase with new unbalaced and rushed superlatives every month seems to be the go to strategy for eve.

There are two problems that cause the rage atm:

1) As someone allready pointed out on reddit CCP managed to kill conflict drives within the game and it is now better content for us as players to bash CCP than bashing Keepstars.

2) CCP has proven to be out of touch with their own product.

Esp. since CCP officials argue with something like 240m ticks used for RMT. Not even knowing how much isk you can actually make in a super but using isk making in supers as a reason for a nerf is just pathetic on a level that I cant put into words without sounding to insulting.

Also I would like to point out that ratting in capitals or supercapitals is not a way of making isk that scales very well. You have to commit to that task and actively play the game to make your isk. You can not just multibox as much supers as your PC can handle like you can do with more passive forms of ratting ships, or passive income in general.

So if I would want to RMT at the current state of the game I would not want to have to use a super. Regular ratting on a large scale would make more isk and require less input. Sure I coul use 1 (one) super ontop of that but that wont be the main way of making isk.

Nerfing the pvp ability due to pve is absolute nonsense.

Esp. since CCP is bringing more and more stronger capitals, titans and supercapitals to the game with via PIRATE FACTION ships. Sorry that I cant really follow that argument. CCP even puts some effort into makeing regular pirate faction capitals cheaper so that those will potentionally being used in further engagements while nerfing caps in general due to said reasons. **** like that is what comes up when you google bigot.
Even more so since the real money makers that do scale and require less effort to make isk are not touched.

Every game has the porblem that its resources are, compared to the real world, unlimited. But you usually work arround that by making the players waste those resources in conflict. So dear CCP if you are afraid of too much isk in the game dont just slap people in the face by doing your best to reduce destruction but make destruction an actual thing again. Take away our wealth by makeing us lose our assets again. Make us want to fight again, that simple. Allowing big enteties to trutle up and create safe krabbing space is not really what made eve great in the past.

Also I would like to state you can not just grab the cash and waste a franchise in the process like EA likes to do and work arround by either having enough other games to make profit of or bringing up a new game next year anyways. I dont think that this tactic wont work very well regarding your portfolio.

Dont treat us like **** by straight up lying into our faces like CCP_Quant did on reddit. Due to an allready shrinking player base this is not a very smart thing to do to be honest.

You have, dear CCP, something like a CSM, you actually spend money at those dudes completly ignoring them when it comes to changing the game but on the other hand pretending to work with the CSM for advertising the uniqueness of your game when it suits you wont end very well in the longrun either.

Get your **** together.

Why don't you remove carriers at all?
It's clear that you don't want anyone using them.

The whole idea of this was keeping fighters dps on par with dreads new high angle weapons dps level. Ensuring that both would be viable options for PVE.

I do believe that dreads have a bit more risk being in siege, thus, they deserve a bit more credit for the risk taken than carriers, and all that but, why don't give them some more dps boost to dreads instead of nerfing carriers and fighters like what? 5 times in a row?

You clearly have an agenda that the community doesn't know... I just hope you don't kill the game.